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Quote:“I’ve had a fantastic time over the last 12 years, both on The X Factor and American Idol,” said executive producer and judge Simon Cowell in a statement. “And apart from being lucky enough to find some amazing talent on the shows, I have always had an incredible welcome from the American public (most of the time!). Last year, for a number of reasons, I had to make a decision to return [for the first time in four years] to the U.K. version of The X Factor in 2014. So for now, I’m back to the U.K. and I want to thank FOX for being an incredible partner and I also want to thank everybody who has supported my shows. America, I’ll see you soon!”


Quote:“To all of us at Fox, Simon is more than one of the most prolific TV personalities of our time -- he’s part of our family. A consummate showman and partner, there’s no one more passionate or creative than Simon, and we feel so fortunate to have enjoyed such a wonderful, collaborative relationship with him over the past 12 years,” Reilly said in a statement. “Unfortunately, there is no X Factor USA without Simon Cowell, but we understand and support his decision to focus on the international formats and on the next phase of his personal life. We wish him the very best, and it’s our sincere hope that we work together again soon.”

RIP. Good riddance.

One of the annoying things about X-Factor is that they include a lot of crowd noise in their videos, often to the point of wrecking an otherwise good performance. It is like an audio watermark that allows you to hear the singing but with an overlay of obnoxious audience or pseudoaudience sounds.

Quote:Michael Jonardi1 week ago
WTF!!!!!!!!!! whats that dolphin sound??
Agreed. I said when it first aired that it was like they tried to give the show the X-Factor and in doing so it was distracting from the singing.
It was easily the red headed step child of these shows.

I still hope Fifth Harmony and Alex & Sierra do well from the show. Bea Miller is someone who I might like when she's older as well.

But there were so many problems with the show..and the quality was just not good. Plus, one of these shows needed to go.

I thought that The Voice was trying to kill one of the shows so that it could run once a season and the other could run the other half of the year. But with six coaches and with NBC not having anything else to show, I don't think it's going to happen. Still, this'll help the over saturation.
Yep - I stopped watching it as I was annoyed by the judges trying to be bigger than anything else and all the smoke & mirrors. Even though Idol has an old-fashioned format it is still a good springboard to success. The Voice may be more entertaining but Haley should never lose her pride by what the American Idol format showcased for her.
It was incredible to me, that for a singing competition..the sound was so terrible.

My issue with Idol as of late has been how they treat people. Haley, in a lot of ways, had a storybook run. And I really do think she grew as a performer because of it. Haley walked into the top 12 as the best singer, but she didn't know what to do with her body and stage. And by the end of her idol run, she was simply too good for the show.

Idol has done a lot for her. Because of it, she got the opportunity to create an incredible album. She's made a ton of celebrity connections and is a part of the idol alumni community. (Not a bad thing to have Adam Lambert and Kris Allen on your side.) She's been signed to Ole..which, IMO..is the biggest and best thing that has happened to her to date. I don't know if any of this happens if she's on any of the other shows.

But I can't get away from how she was treated as a person. From the women's issues (She was objectified. I could honestly write a book about it.) to what was essentially bullying (Where the two youngest people still in the competition ended up speaking out against it.). That doesn't happen on The Voice. And if she makes it decently far, than she's made a huge connection. Not only that, but Haley would have much better odds of winning that show than winning Idol. (The Voice audience loves the talented female singer. The last two seasons, the top two have been so.)

So, I'm glad Haley tried out for Idol. It was easily my favorite Idol journey of all time. But..just caring about Haley as a person and seeing some of the patterns that idol tends to do to women..sometimes I do as "what if." (And Haley's a much more positive person, and probably appreciates Idol a lot for what it's give her...but these are just fan whims..) Tongue

As for the Xfactor..it's a terrible show..but if Simon liked her, he might have helped her. But I'm glad she wasn't a part of it.
(02-08-2014, 11:03 AM)mercfan3 Wrote: [ -> ]Haley, in a lot of ways, had a storybook run...Idol has done a lot for her...But I can't get away from how she was treated as a person.

I understand the sentiment. I've softened towards Idol somewhat since her storybook run because I feel like the Idol/Fox International connection has helped her post-show. But in watching her write the next chapter I sometimes wonder what the first chapter might have been like if there had been a level playing field and she had won.

Second guessing that scenario...

If Haley would have won, she would have likely produced an album with a quick turnaround time that sold well but that she had little input on. While enjoying more commercial success in the short term, she would not have learned as much about the songwriting process nor enjoyed the royalty stream that came from having a solid album and co-writing credits.

So... que sera, sera.
I always had the feeling that there were dueling parties during Haley's time on Idol. One partying favoring her, and the other party favoring Lauren.

One of the main differences between Idol and The Voice is that Idol makes money off of it's winner and it's runner up. (Or it used to, I believe the contract has changed after season 11.) Therefore, the show really has an incentive to get the most marketable winner. (Xfactor is different anyway because it's Simon's show..so basically the show makes money off of it's contestants.)

Most likely to be successful has consistently been cute, blonde, female country singer. And my theory on what happened was that everyone and their mother knew that Scotty was going to win. (He was absolutely dominating the votes.) But they were concerned about his future in the music business, and after season 9, Idol really needed a success as a winner. They thought their sure thing was Lauren the entire season. When Haley became a threat (I believe she was running in second place after Rolling In The Deep, but if she wasn't then, she was running in second after Casey left.) they did everything in their power to get rid of her. As we saw with the judges comments. I think this was Nigel's side of the fence.

But I always noticed that in a lot of ways, Haley was treated well. She quite often got "the pimp spot." She did get to sing an unreleased Gaga song. They got Led Zeppelin released for her. She got to perform with her father on the stage. Etc..so someone had to like her. And I think that someone was Jimmy. He was interested in signing her. And he was interested in signing her early on. (When he essentially said to her "You aren't going to win, but show me what you've got because there will be other types of winners.") Interscope had a lot of issues in the way they handled Haley, but I think on the show, Jimmy was on Haley's side.

As for Haley winning..it goes back to what I said..I think Ole is the biggest and best thing that has happened to her. Song writing in pop music is so important, and it's where you get your credibility and make your money. And I think when we look at Haley's career, ten years from now..it'll be looked at as a HUGE deal. I don't believe she signs with them if she wins. So at the end of the day, it might be better off that she didn't. Haley said her gut thought she should come in third, so she's probably right. Tongue

As for her being on another show..you never know what would have happened. I'm just confident that The Voice, at least, wouldn't have made played the "Lets see if we can make Haley cry this week" game.