Haley Reinhart Forum

(01-19-2015 02:33 PM)Himm2 Wrote: [ -> ]It's saying it's OK to nearly kill yourself over a relationship that didn't work. Stupid message for the fragile youth that are the most likely main viewers. Haley's version doesn't obviously imply that.

I disagree, most artists use their talents to express themselves, tell others how they feel, experiences from their point of view (in this case, the angst, the pain felt from losing someone they truly cared about that they'd do anything, self destructive, to numb the pain)

She's illustrating to you (the viewer) her pain

Artists allow us to see from another's point of view... In this case, she's showing just how much it hurt, that she'd try anything (unsuccessfully) to wipe that person from her mind. She's partying, feigns happiness w/ her friends, engages in hedonistic activities, but none of it erases the pain of her loss in the end. At least, that's my take on it anyway,

Their creativity is based on their expression of self, through their eyes, their thoughts. I guess there are some artists that use their talent to 'tell' people what to do, but those are usually motivated by religion or politics, and not really art in it's most pure sense.

Art is allowing others to see, the good and the bad, through your eyes/heart/emotion.

From Casey's parents:

Quote:Ira Abrams @iraabrams · Nov 2
@HaleysTusk @pammitzp Awww thanks! An, where would we be without YOU. We experience Casey so much through your eyes - great stills & video!

Haley's PMJ cover is exactly what I'm talking about of artistic decision to relay or highlight an emotional state of the moment. Juxtapositioning such a 'tragic' story with a happy, ragtime (including joyful whistling) arrangement very much illustrates someone covering a hard time in their life, with 'happy music' to mask the pain

Art, really good art, should make you think, not to be taken so easily at 'face value'

After the Charlie Hebdo terrorist attack, I replied to a Mo Collins' tweet

Quote:themocollins ‏@THEMOCOLLINS Jan 7
Nothing funny about killing cartoonists. Horrible news. #RIP #CharlieHebdo

Quote:themocollins favorited your tweet
Tusk @HaleysTusk · Jan 7
@THEMOCOLLINS it's why we need Music, Art & Laughter. They not only uplift unite & stimulate thought, they also challenge ideologies of hate

The cartoonists shared their opinion, the terrorists forced theirs

I guess 'Art', like Beauty, is in the eye of the beholder :/

Quote:Art has to move you and design does not, unless it's a good design for a bus.

– David Hockney (1937–)

Quote:Proverbs 31:7

Let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more.

(01-19-2015 02:59 PM)Tusk Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:Tusk @HaleysTusk · Jan 7
@THEMOCOLLINS it's why we need Music, Art & Laughter. They not only uplift unite & stimulate thought, they also challenge ideologies of hate

So very true! I fully agree.

In Haley's version of Habits, though, I don't feel that what she sings is all literally real. Yes, I hear pain and loss, but also a somewhat self-depreciating purposeful wallowing in one's own misery to a point where it starts being funny, and one very well knows it, exaggeration and self-pity and fantasizing to a point where the real desperation gets blunted already. I think what Haley expresses is a feeling of loss, but exaggerated in a hurt, then wanton, then even fun way to insist on it to get over it. It is a way of saying to this guy: so you think I'd be that desperate, haha, I thought so, too, and now look, ain't so bad now that I think of it ... In my mind, that's the difference to Tove's version, which is really kind of serious, in a slightly undefined manner that makes it unsettling. In Haley's version I don't really see that, I think that is Haley's magic that she turns it into a story of in the end, after all and despite it all, a strong woman who overcomes that desperation while expressing it (the hurt in the middle part is real and very touching, as if the self-confidence suddenly breaks; but then comes the whistling ...) and knows very well how to get onto the upswing. I think it all fits Haley very well, the hurt, the teasing, the self-confidence, the serious playfulness that gives new freedom from it all, the slight already-looking-back feel at the end - artistic self-expression in so many layers. Just great. Anyway, I don't think I expressed myself well, but that is how I can't help but hear this song, as she sings it.

I'm struck by this recent comment on YouTube:

Quote:The flow of this song leaves me with a smile. I forget about sorrows and stuff.

I think that's the difference between the two.

Tove Lo's version is more like someone who's out-of-control at the moment and full of despair.

Whereas in Haley's version it seems as though she's over it and saying to her former lover...you knocked me for a loop, look at what you made me do, don't you feel guilty, and, possibly, a little jealous?

I wonder why Haleys PMJ video and Vevo videos aren't on her Youtube channel like Morgan James?

See, i'm more with Tusk on Haley's interpretation.

For me, it seems like...like the song itself (Where the singer is using partying and drugs to cover her pain) the happiness of the arrangement is being used to cover the lyrics.

Regardless, people sing about adult themes all the time, and they have since the beginning of music. Listen closely to the words to "Luck Is A Lady" (A lady doesn't waltz across a room to blow on some other man's dice. yeah.) Or..you know..any Led Zeppelin song. ever. (Even What Is And What Should Never Be becomes actually pretty creepy when you consider Jimmy Page had a 14 year old girlfriend.)

When music comes from an authentic place, there will be times where it is inspirational and sweet and genuine..and pg rated. and then there will be times where it shows the uglier side of human beings. And personally, when music is a catharsis for people, I tend to enjoy it the most.

(01-19-2015 07:57 PM)mercfan3 Wrote: [ -> ]When music comes from an authentic place, there will be times where it is inspirational and sweet and genuine..and pg rated. and then there will be times where it shows the uglier side of human beings. And personally, when music is a catharsis for people, I tend to enjoy it the most.

There are songs that will make me cry, when I need it, there are songs that get me angry, aggressive to release the energy (heavy metal?). There are songs that I play to make me happy, then there are songs that invoke childhood innocence, when I haven't a care in the world. None of those songs 'tell me to' do anything but they do evoke emotion.

(01-19-2015 07:57 PM)mercfan3 Wrote: [ -> ]Regardless, people sing about adult themes all the time, and they have since the beginning of music.

The term Rock and Roll's origin according to wiki:

Quote:The phrase "rocking and rolling" originally described the movement of a ship on the ocean, but was used by the early twentieth century, both to describe the spiritual fervor of black church rituals and as a sexual analogy.

hint: Chuck wasn't singing about bells......
(Yet it was 'OK' for kids to sing this song)


hint: ZZ top were not singing about jewelry


This 'love' song by the Police is actually about a stalker.....

Quote:This is one of the most misinterpreted songs ever. It is about an obsessive stalker, but it sounds like a love song. Some people even used it as their wedding song. The Police frontman Sting wrote it after separating from his first wife, Frances Tomelty.
In a 1983 interview with the New Musical Express, Sting explained: "I think it's a nasty little song, really rather evil. It's about jealousy and surveillance and ownership." Regarding the common misinterpretation of the song, he added: "I think the ambiguity is intrinsic in the song however you treat it because the words are so sadistic. On one level, it's a nice long song with the classic relative minor chords, and underneath there's this distasteful character talking about watching every move. I enjoy that ambiguity. I watched Andy Gibb singing it with some girl on TV a couple of weeks ago, very loving, and totally misinterpreting it. (Laughter) I could still hear the words, which aren't about love at all. I pissed myself laughing."

Merc I agree with 99.9 percent of your posts.

Looking at the comments on YT about Tove Lo's versions of the song, the message of the song and video sparks a lot of discussion. Many also complain that she wasted those french fries. I suppose that for a mixed up young person it might normalize a very self-destructive course of action, but she doesn't glorify it. I think her video is rather brilliant actually.

I took a look at a number of the venues that PMJ will be playing on its Euro tour. Most had capacities of 1000-2000. The Shepherd's Bush Empire venue in London with a cap. of 2000 is sold out for the Feb. 17th show. It looks like a typical ticket goes for $25-30 US.