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New song, "Love is Worth Fighting For" - meaning of lyrics, etc. - Miguel - 08-30-2014

I think this song should have it's own thread, so I've pulled related comments out of the Room 5 performance thread and posted them below. I've also posted the lyrics John transcribed.



Haley said she wrote "Love is Worth Fighting For" recently. And that it is about "music." The lyrics seem to be about her experience of trying to make it in the music business.

What do you think she meant by "broken promises," "weight of the world" and "fronting"?

I think the broken promises could relate to both her experience with music labels and, perhaps, the harsh reaction of some fans to SMYM.

The "weight of the world" = meeting the different expectations of her fans and finding a record label to support her, or staying true to her love of music given the expectations of the labels.

By "fronting," I think she means publicly hiding her disappointment and hurt.

Like others, I feel bad that Haley has to experience that.

But I like that she has produced a song that is heartfelt and about something other than the usual pop music fare.


Quote:Hold tight, Momma always says
It’s alright, no need to be afraid
Confusion is the damnedest thing
One day you’re flying
The next you’ve lost your wings
.
Chorus:

But I’m getting tired of all this fronting
It feels like I’m running on empty, for nothing
Now I’m telling you that I cannot take no more
Because I feel the weight of the world on me
Tell me the truth that’s it’s not in vain
Broken promises they can’t be saved
To this day I believe there’s no shame (2nd – I believe to this day there’s no shame)
.
Cause love is worth fighting for
.

When it takes you it’s the grandest thing
It’ll make you
It can break you just the same

(chorus)

etc



yanni5: "Here's a new Haley song, it's called 'Love Is Worth Fighting For'"

XAtlantic: "That's a great, moving song - awesome. I am an immediate fan of it!"

thecommish27: "I love Haley's new song!"

lauraliz:
Quote:Haley's new song is so good. It has some sweet chord changes in it. Also, great sentiment--her passion for music is worth the fight HeartHeart. It made me a little teary eyed. Haley and Casey--there is all this talent--and it's so freakin tough in the current musical climate. I don't know. These two have just captured my heart. I want everything to work out for them.

Tom22:

Quote:I love Haley's explanation about what she means with "love" in the song:

"and I'm really not talking about love at all. I'm talking about music" which she says forcefully before starting in.

(perhaps it can be read "continuing to pursue a music career is worth fighting for". ? )

Those of you that might have read me roasting Harry Connick Jr for expecting that the lyrics mean what they say might understand how this tickles me.

For me, It shows that even when writing the lyrics herself "love" is a proxy for many things and romantic love is only one small sliver of what love is. Using lyrics to point generally to a romantic love let's any listener apply the message to their own situation rather than something more specific that tends to be more excluding when it is less universal.

I also think of sexual lyrics being a proxy for any celebration and self liberation... which makes smutty lyrics decidely less smutty. "Getting it on" or "I'll be your baby tonight" is a lot more broad and less base when they're just an allegory.

End Tom22 oped for the day...
... but, statements like that from HR reinforce what I personally hear in the attitude she brings to lyrics so frequently... and why I appreciate so many of her takes on songs.

NUG: "Haley looks a little choked up / irritated / hurt or something at the end of her new song. "

Tusk: "Indeed, Nug. There's a sadness there."

John:

Quote:Haley said she wrote this "not too long ago....it's about music...so think about that." "A little inside scoop." Haley probably needed that trip home.

PotterFan1029: "I haven't been able to watch the video of this performance yet, but this sounds like a really important song. It makes me sad to know Haley might be feeling this way"

Babbs234:

Quote:Haley is a strong girl, but we all know the music business ain't easy. I hope Haley is able to cross over. She really deserves it and has so much to offer! And I applaud Haley's songwriting abilities. I mean look at the words to this song!

Quote:I absolutely lovvveeee Haley's new song, Love Is Worth Fighting For!!! LOVE the song's melody and lots of emotion in this song. Could imagine Beyonce or Jennifer Hudson? singing this... And lauraliz, it made me a little teary eyed the first time I listened to it too.

30CamdenSquare:

Quote:I probably need to give it a couple of weeks, but "Love is Worth Fighting For" might be my favorite song Haley's ever written. I was really feeling her on that one. Love the lyrics, great melody, incredible vocal. I'm going to be listening to it a lot.



RE: New song, "Love is Worth Fighting For" - meaning of lyrics, etc. - Babbs234 - 08-31-2014

I believe Haley said she didn't like to sing UNDONE, because it made her feel sad. I sure hope she doesn't end up feeling the same way with this song, because she did tear up a little at the end. It shows how powerful this song is to her.

And I can't stop listening it! HeartHeart


RE: New song, "Love is Worth Fighting For" - meaning of lyrics, etc. - yanni5 - 08-31-2014

Very powerful song indeed. We have no idea the struggles that Haley may be experiencing with the music industry, it must be really frustrating for her. Maybe this song is a way for her to "vent". I love the song, can't stop listening to it. Like Miguel said, it's a very heartfelt song.


RE: New song, "Love is Worth Fighting For" - meaning of lyrics, etc. - Jastal - 08-31-2014

I really, really love this new song. It kind of breaks your heart to realize the struggles Haley is going through to build her career, but I also believe she is learning allot and this time will viewed as an important part of her journey. It was especially great to see her growing strength as song writer and her willingness to show her vulnerability. I believe these are important ingredients for the long career that we want for her. I will continue to support her career and (like all Haliens) I hope she continues to believe it's worth fighting for...


RE: New song, "Love is Worth Fighting For" - meaning of lyrics, etc. - airhigh - 08-31-2014

(08-31-2014, 12:03 AM)Babbs234 Wrote: I believe Haley said she didn't like to sing UNDONE, because it made her feel sad. I sure hope she doesn't end up feeling the same way with this song, because she did tear up a little at the end. It shows how powerful this song is to her.

And I can't stop listening it! HeartHeart

Haley laid the essence of her existence on the Room 5 stage, Friday Night, when she sang "Love is Worth Fighting For" every hope, every dream, every desire to show her greatest love (music). From the moment "youmaysayimadreama" switched on the camera and sang "Like a Star" that she is. Or when she jumped in front of the Idol camera and announced to the world that she just wanted to be an inspiration to people. It was every disappointment from bottom three, to third place, from Listen Up not topping the charts to losing your recording contract; watching a super well done "Show Me Your Moves" video receive so many negative vibs. Perhaps knowing your better than the rest, (I know that) having many promises & hopes shattered. Well she can't take it anymore. But she can & she will because her "Love Is Worth Fighting For" she put it out there Friday night in the amazing way only Haley can & yes it brought tears to this old guys eyes...She is such a winner all her dreams will come true.


RE: New song, "Love is Worth Fighting For" - meaning of lyrics, etc. - NUG - 08-31-2014

OK I'm glad to read that I'm not the only person who shed a tear over this song...it breaks my heart actually. I love Haley so much, I hope and pray she gets EXACTLY what she wants out of her music career. Heart


RE: New song, "Love is Worth Fighting For" - meaning of lyrics, etc. - Swansteel - 08-31-2014

(08-31-2014, 07:52 AM)Jastal Wrote: I really, really love this new song. It kind of breaks your heart to realize the struggles Haley is going through to build her career, but I also believe she is learning allot and this time will viewed as an important part of her journey. It was especially great to see her growing strength as song writer and her willingness to show her vulnerability. I believe these are important ingredients for the long career that we want for her. I will continue to support her career and (like all Haliens) I hope she continues to believe it's worth fighting for...

Well put, Jastal. I agree that this is a very important time for Haley, when the real struggle begins and real growth can happen. Haley has had many experiences up until now, but this is when growth and true maturation can happen. I like that this new song proves Haley's growth as an artist and it really is a necessary part of her journey. From pain grows beauty.


RE: New song, "Love is Worth Fighting For" - meaning of lyrics, etc. - ISCAT4HALEY - 08-31-2014

I agree with Yanni. Haley is a very strong woman but a person can’t keep their frustrations bottled up for too long. It is not healthy mentally or physically. And what better way for Haley to release those feelings than doing what she does best, songwriting and performing those songs. The best songs are created this way and I think “Love Is Worth Fighting For” is her best work so far.

Unfortunately by following Haley, I am learning quite vividly how hard the music industry is. I have yet to understand it and I think I never will. I hope that Haley realizes just how really talented she is and continues to channel these downturns into something positive through her creativity.

Haley is very young and I still feel her career is a process that will take time to develop. We’ve talked about bands and how it can take years, decades to “succeed” although I’m not sure what that means. Haley’s parents are a prime example of longevity in the music business.

I don’t like pointing to other artists in a Haley thread and I am sorry but I appreciate the sentiments shown in this article and I believe relevant to Haley’s situation. After 10 years Snarky Puppy formed by Michael League won a Grammy with Lalah Hathaway. Here are two quotes from an interview.

http://irockjazz.com/2014/01/michael-league-the-rise-of-snarky-puppy/

Quote:"The movie 'Tommy Boy' is a favorite of a lot of the guys in the band. Chris Farley plays the son of a recently deceased auto parts manufacturer. He’s got to go around on a business trip to try and sell these parts in order to save his dad’s company. His partner tells him that you can’t take no for an answer. So, he goes into the first guy and the guy says no and he says, 'Ok. Thanks.' And then he leaves the room. I watched it on the plane last week and I was thinking how that’s the most important thing about running any kind of organization, whether it’s a business or a band. The only way you ensure failure is by quitting. The only way you can guarantee that your endeavor will fail is by stopping it. I think it is important to remember that there are terrible bands that become famous because they never stop being terrible [laughs]. They just kept doing it and the more that you do it, the more opportunities you create for yourself. There were a lot of moments on this road where due to financial issues, and social issues within the band, due to feelings of musical inadequacy, where I wanted to terminate the situation. But I never did. That’s the real key. There’s obviously a lot more. I think the most important part is perseverance."

Quote:The story of Snarky Puppy is a testament to dedication and perseverance. It’s hard not cheer for them. In a world of sugary pop and synthetic noise, Snarky Puppy has managed to parlay a genuine art into mainstream success. Their model is something worth noting for its business blueprint, but, perhaps, even more so for its philosophical approach. Snarky Puppy isn’t a machine-driven gimmick. This is real. Regardless of where the outfit goes from here, it’s a guarantee that above everything else, the music will always come first. And that is exactly why they will succeed.

For Haley in this business, the music definitely comes first and always will.



Note: emphasis added by Miguel


RE: New song, "Love is Worth Fighting For" - meaning of lyrics, etc. - Tom22 - 08-31-2014

> John, thanks for listening and typing out the lyrics you heard ... I only hear snippets of lyrics at a time and have an active sort of brain that runs with a word or a phrase in for seconds after the word hits my mind and often miss the next word or have lost the context of one sentence to another having my mind filled with ideas the last sentence evoked.... I don't always know the lyrics to my favorite songs even as I hear words.

> After reading the lyrics, while there is a generic "love" in the song the lyrics are more specifically about her career situation than I might have mused > not proof that all of her songs aren't meant more exclusively about romantic love > I'm projecting my take making sweeping statements (even as I'll stick to my take the way I've heard her sing even Undone)

> I really felt her pain in her music for the year and a half after the interscope deal and it wasn't until the performances the last month or two that I feel like her songs have healed her.

>to my personal ear, a recent "better" (that people here so generously recorded and linked) wasn't tinged with "bitterness" ..... "I threw your ring into the ocean" can either be bitter, defensive, liberation or almost humorously "you go girl" "you're not the boss of me" sort of celebration and .. I'm reading more of the second in a recent performance... which moves the song from a definitive "I quit" to a "I'm facing an ocean of possibility, and so are you and your ring fella"

>pain and sorrow can lead to great art.. .but, I think we all appreciate different things particularly in that regard.

>Miguel posted a series of tweets showing hugely different reactions to "Undone" .. with some people feeling despair in the song and other's hearing a underlying optimism and uplift from someone in a temporary sense of despair they know they shouldn't be preoccupied with. (yes vastly different takes) The thing was, her earlier performances of it lifted me (album, Iheart) but the one recent one (private concert) maybe shifted me the other side and I didn't like thta.

> I didn't like Haley's period of discomfort . We're all generous people at heart here and none would wish harm of course... but I just felt an underlying "feeling sorry for oneself" and even (throw stones at me) a bit of tentativeness in the desire to express herself publicly even while she was actually performing(just a glimmer of a shadow of question). Others appreciated a tenderness in a vulnerability. I guess I fell in love with Haley for her unique combination of empathy and steel-willed-optimism (on idol and on LU, and other early unreleased songs) and felt more sorry to hear a free spirit crushed and couldn't really enjoy whatever it was she was tapping during that period

_______

> this song seems to be a culmination of her stages of grief >

! I love it for that achievement (song is still growing on me but I'm sure it will)
! I love that (chicken or egg?), that she is performing more regularly with diverse musicians in places that are clearly comfortable for her.
! I see a fresher glow to her on stage now. While some singers like Sinead O'connor pull on a "dark power" I think Haley pulls on a "power of light" ... that she can't be distracted from.

enough from me


there are many sites on grief.. many with 5 stages more attuned to loss via cancer or something,

but I think this 7th stage one with a full recovery of the patient themselves particularly fits her journey:

Quote:http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/me-we/201406/the-7-stages-grieving-breakup

You may have known somewhere within you that this breakup was coming, even for months or years, and yet you are still blindsided. No matter how the lead-up has looked, now that the breakup is actually happening, you may be overwhelmed, immobilized and haunted by fear, loss and despair about life without this person. Following are some of the stages you can anticipate going through—they often occur all at once, or in varying orders at varying times during the process of letting go:

1. Desperate For Answers

The drive to know is consuming and can come at the expense of rational thoughts and behaviors. You must understand why this happened, maybe beyond anyone’s ability to explain it. You fixate on things your ex said at various times that you see as contradicting the breakup, and you hold onto them now as if they are gospel. Yet somewhere within, you have moments of clarity, too. You likely swing back and forth between foggy disbelief, the daily, moment by moment rediscovery of the magnitude of your loss, and flashes of painful clarity that of course it’s over. The pain, disorganization, and confusion can become all you think about, or talk about. But initially, you remain driven to understand what happened, at any cost. The desperation to make sense of something so jarring compels you to debate friends, family, coworkers, even strangers, about why the relationship ended, while you justify to them the reasons it shouldn’t have, as if convincing them it is equal to convincing your ex.

2. Denial

It can’t be true. This isn’t happening! You just cannot be without your ex. It feels like you’ve put everything you are into this relationship. It’s been your world, your life. You cannot accept that it’s over. You funnel every last hope into saving it, even at the expense of your well-being. You postpone your need to grieve its end, because it’s just too painful to face. In so doing, you temporarily derail the grieving process by replacing it with unrealistically inflated hope that the relationship can still be salvaged.

3. Bargaining

You are willing to do anything to avoid accepting it’s over. You’ll be a better, more attentive partner. Everything that’s been wrong, you’ll make right. The thought of being without your ex is so intolerable that you will make your own pain go away by winning him or her back, at any cost. Of course, you’re not logical at this point (and probably shouldn't be operating heavy machinery). You are standing on the edge of what feels like an abyss, trying not to fall into the unknown. You cling to any hope you can, to prevent yourself from losing what you have come to depend on, for better or worse. However, during this phase, when you promise to fix all the problems between you, you are placing the entire burden of repairing, maintaining, and sustaining a relationship onto yourself. It's as if the responsibility is yours and yours alone to make it work this time. Try your hardest during this phase not to lose sight of the fact that both participants in the relationship contributed to its end. You can’t possibly take responsibility for everything. Somewhere inside, you know that.

Bargaining can only briefly distract from the experience of loss. Reality inevitably comes crashing down, over and over again. Further, when you bargain, you are trying to take responsibility for why the relationship doesn't work, which may give you the illusion that you have control over it, perpetuating the belief that it's salvageable as long as you can just keep performing superhuman acts.

4. Relapse

Because the pain is so intolerable, you may actually be able to convince your ex to try again (this may not be the first breakup with this partner). You will temporarily relieve the agony of withdrawal. However, despite your best efforts, you will not be able to carry the relationship solo. I'm sorry to say, it probably won’t end well this time, either. Unfortunately, you may need to go through this process of breaking up and reconciling more than once before you're absolutely convinced it's time to let go.

5. Anger

Initially, you may not be able to connect with feelings of anger. Breaking up plummets you into the unknown, which can evoke immobilizing fear and dread. Fear, at that point, trumps anger. Therefore, when anger sets in, it's because you have let go of some of your fear, at least temporarily. When you’re able to access anger, the experience can actually be empowering—because at the very least there are shades of remembering you matter too, of feeling justified in realizing that you deserve more from a relationship. Depending on your specific temperament, life, and family experiences, as well as your unique breakup, your anger may be directed at your partner, the situation, or yourself. The good news is that your anger, no matter where it’s directed, is meant to empower you, whether you choose to see it that way or not. When anger becomes accessible to you, it can provide direction and create a feeling of aliveness in a world that’s become deadened by loss. It can also remind you that you deserve more. Even anger at yourself, as paralyzing and self-defeating as it may be, is still part of the grieving process. The fact that you are on the trajectory of grieving the loss is a sign that you are working through. It indicates that somewhere within, you are creating enough internal discomfort to help shift your perspective about how the relationship has actually been, and it can compel you to make proactive changes, if you are ready to let it.

6. Initial Acceptance

This is the kind of acceptance that, when it happens early in the process, can feel more like surrender. You are holding up your end of the breakup because you have to, not because you want to. Either you or your ex has developed enough awareness and control at this point to recognize that you are not meant to be. Over time, this initial, often tenuous acceptance becomes more substantive, as both of you begin to recognize, independently, that there are boundaries that at least one of you must maintain in order for the breakup to stick, because it has to. You are finally grasping that's it’s just not good for you to keep trying anymore.

7. Redirected Hope

You were leveled by the breakup and have had difficulty letting go, in part because it shattered your relationship with hope. As acceptance deepens, moving forward requires redirecting your feelings of hope—from the belief that you can singlehandedly save a failing relationship to the possibility that you just might be okay without your ex. It’s jarring when forced to redirect your hope from the known entity of the relationship into the abyss of the unknown. But this is an opportunity to redirect the life force of hope. Regardless, hope is somewhere in your reserves and you will access it again as you continue to allow some meaningful distance between you and your ex.



The stages of grief that follow any trauma, breakups included, can happen over the course of minutes or even seconds, across days, months, or years, and then switch around without warning, leaving you feeling without foundation, especially in the beginning. You feel alien to yourself or cut off from the world.



RE: New song, "Love is Worth Fighting For" - meaning of lyrics, etc. - Miguel - 08-31-2014

(08-31-2014, 01:43 PM)Tom22 Wrote: it wasn't until the performances the last month or two that I feel like her songs have healed her

I'm not sure about that. Haley just spent a short time in Chicago and Patti booked a trip to LA. Apparently she felt the need to spend more time with her.

Haley actually sings near the end of the last chorus (3:31):

"Is this the truth, that it's not in vain?"