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RE: What's Your Favorite Movie (and why) - Tusk - 08-11-2012
(08-11-2012, 07:09 PM)LovinDaHaley Wrote:I agree with you. Deckard has been hunting replicants for years (replicants don't live long), maybe it was easy for him in his youth, but I think he's been blocking out the knowledge that even though the replicants are 'built' they have feelings and feel pain and fear. The killing is getting harder for him and why he wants to quit. But he is the best the force has, so he keeps getting pulled back.
So the Las Vegas "Blade Runner Extravaganza" took place earlier today and I loved the movie. We also had a great time talking about it afterwards.
Is Deckard a replicant? My friend says yes, I say no. My friend might be right because like the rest of the movie, it's suggested but never explained; nevertheless, I still say no because too many plot holes arise if he is. For example, why would the police let a replicant run around? And the movie gives you the impression that certain people have known him for years, and considering he was retired from being a Blade Runner, I don't think they'd let him live.
I found the movie very fascinating. It has great special effects (especially considering when it was made), but it was the character drive and story that kept me interested.
As for some of the writing and directing I will say it’s a damn good thing Harrison Ford always has his charm to fall back on, like in "Star Wars" or "Raiders of the Lost Ark", because his role as “Deckard” could have easily turned boring had it been played by anyone else. Rutger Hauer has some great moments, such as his monologue near the end, but it's a pretty darn creepy scene. He has a few moments where I wasn't sure if he was overacting or if that's how the character was written. Sean Young has a few great moments and a few poor moments. And Daryl Hannah, they could not have cast “Pris” better, she made the movie for me as much as any other single factor.
The landscape and the score are awesome in every sense of the word, just one big futuristic film noir. But what really made this movie work for me was that everything is centered on the "now". Characters are simply trapped in the plot, like flies being caught in a spider web (someone please edit Haley’s song into this movie). They don't make a big issue of their reasons, they just are. Humanity’s worst flaw is how we degrade people from other places and cultures so we can kill them without remorse. I thought "Blade Runner" handled this issue really well because it's a theme that's not forced down your throat, and you see both sides of the story. The replicants are clearly human because they do the same thing
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The 'new' replicants don't know they are replicants because they have implanted memories (Sean Young's character). This is new technology so wouldn't apply to Deckard if he turned out to be a replicant.
If I remember, (didn't rewatch last night) The replicants have limited life spans as a sort of 'control'....They, after all, are stronger and smarter than their human masters.
They 'over act' because as they age, they develop self awareness, and then comes the realisation that their time is near. I think they don't have the emotional maturity to handle such huge emotions such as fear and fear of death.
They see their human masters as cruel, to give them such a grand existence (see Hauer's monologue near the end) and such short life spans.
If you look back at my post that introduces "Blade Runner" I describe Hauer as "Tragic" because he is super intelligent and understands that he will soon die and is trying to desperately find a way to save himself and his replicant 'family'. He is not a killer, but he is pushed into doing 'terrible' things in a race against the clock. The fact that he saves Ford right before he dies, when he could have easily let Ford die (especially as he was losing control of his limbs), proves to Deckard that the replicants are capable of 'humanity' too, even in the face of their own demise. The symbolic letting go of the Dove (his time on earth) as he dies is moving...
That is why Deckard finally decides to escape and save Sean Young's character, because her 'life span' is undetermined and she really is an innocent just coming to the horrible realisation that she is a construct and her memories are not hers.... She is not who she thought she was. I don't think of her acting as 'Poor'. Her character is "FREAKING" out inside, battling with the knowledge of what she is. She tries desperately to prove to Deckard (and herself) that she isn't what she knows she is. She, like the other replicants, aren't emotionally capable of dealing with such grave emotions.
Pris was really Darryl Hannah's coming out. Fantastic character. As a sex replicant, she's not given the intellect that Hauer's replicant has. She's a combination of sex/innocent/'insane'/ and deadly.
Yet the screeching at the end as she's grasping at the last vestiges of life before she dies is as tragic, these poor 'people', at this point, will do anything to gain just a bit more life.
There is a 'director's cut' that doesn't have their escape at the end, and includes Deckard having a dream of a unicorn...which, if I remember, some said was 'proof' that Deckard was a replicant. That his dreams weren't 'human'... I don't remember how it signifies this, and maybe what your friend was referring when he thought Deckard is a replicant . I saw the dream as signifying Deckard's conscience comparing Sean Young's character to a mythical wild beast (In some mythologies the Unicorn's lose it's magic if unwillingly captured ), so should be protected.
But if you look at the end, the Hispanic police man chasing Deckard, leaves a unicorn origami at Deckard's apartment (referring somehow to the unicorn dream), telling Deckard that he was letting him run away with Sean Young (he was there but didn't take her).
Great movie on so many levels...So glad you enjoyed it, even better it stimulated conversation afterward
RE: What's Your Favorite Movie (and why) - whadaboutluv - 08-11-2012
(08-11-2012, 07:00 PM)buzzenator Wrote: ^ LOL...thanks for sharing that Whadabout, and thanks for joining the group. I have not seen "A Serious Man" and I love Coen Brothers movies, so I am going to get serious about watching the rest of the Coen library I have not seen.
Whadabout the Columbia Record Club...that is what makes me laugh. While in college I lived on campus in a fraternity house at the University of Minnesota. Part of our weekly humor was signing up for the Columbia Deals under hilarious pseudo names with the fraternity address. Every week someone was getting the initial order of records under a name like Norm Ezboldt, etc. You only lived there 4 years (some of us 5 or 6), so the letters and records and bills would keep coming for years...until they finally figured out the guy didn't exist or didn't live there. Probably why I like Monty Python and Coen Brothers humor so much...Buzz is somewhat off kilter, according to some.
LOL, you frat boy, Buzz! Here is where I like to point out that I am younger than someone...anyone...you in college, me just starting HS :p You might really like the Minnesota angle of that movie. You probably know the Coens are from Minnesota. "Fargo" is another of my all-time fave movies. Their magic is in how they develop their characters. I am not really an action movie fan. My favorite movies focus on the characters. Characters are much more interesting than shoot 'em up, blow 'em up scenes, to me. The family in A Serious Man, everyone in Fargo and Raising Arizona...so much more interesting than seeing explosions and what not, when I want to vicariously be a character in an interesting movie. That said, I shall now attempt a full twist, half pike, double salchow video post about A Serious Man..
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(08-11-2012, 11:05 PM)whadaboutluv Wrote:(08-11-2012, 07:00 PM)buzzenator Wrote: ^ LOL...thanks for sharing that Whadabout, and thanks for joining the group. I have not seen "A Serious Man" and I love Coen Brothers movies, so I am going to get serious about watching the rest of the Coen library I have not seen.
Whadabout the Columbia Record Club...that is what makes me laugh. While in college I lived on campus in a fraternity house at the University of Minnesota. Part of our weekly humor was signing up for the Columbia Deals under hilarious pseudo names with the fraternity address. Every week someone was getting the initial order of records under a name like Norm Ezboldt, etc. You only lived there 4 years (some of us 5 or 6), so the letters and records and bills would keep coming for years...until they finally figured out the guy didn't exist or didn't live there. Probably why I like Monty Python and Coen Brothers humor so much...Buzz is somewhat off kilter, according to some.
LOL, you frat boy, Buzz! Here is where I like to point out that I am younger than someone...anyone...you in college, me just starting HS :p You might really like the Minnesota angle of that movie. You probably know the Coens are from Minnesota. "Fargo" is another of my all-time fave movies. Their magic is in how they develop their characters. I am not really an action movie fan. My favorite movies focus on the characters. Characters are much more interesting than shoot 'em up, blow 'em up scenes, to me. The family in A Serious Man, everyone in Fargo and Raising Arizona...so much more interesting than seeing explosions and what not, when I want to vicariously be a character in an interesting movie. That said, I shall now attempt a full twist, half pike, double salchow video post about A Serious Man..
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Gah, no video!! I suck at this stuff. If you have read this post thus far, please Google the scene, it's out there. Classic for us oldies growing up in the 60s/70s.
RE: What's Your Favorite Movie (and why) - LovinDaHaley - 08-12-2012
^ That's a funny scene
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As for adding a video to play in a post on this board, you wouldn't use "Embed"... Just copy the URL from the address bar of your web browser while at YouTube at the video you want and paste it into the post (in this case that would be, "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tfI9tTzlI0", without the quotes), and then in your post here, select the address you just pasted (highlight it) by holding your left mouse button down and dragging it over the text, and then when it's highlighted click the little blue TV screen icon in the top right corner above where you type and select "YouTube" from the drop down list. This will insert into your post what's needed for the video to be embedded and play in your post.
Here's the clip:
A Serious Man - The Columbia Record Club Scene
RE: What's Your Favorite Movie (and why) - whadaboutluv - 08-12-2012
(08-12-2012, 12:47 AM)LovinDaHaley Wrote:
^ That's a funny scene
As for adding a video to play in a post on this board, you wouldn't use "Embed"... Just copy the URL from the address bar of your web browser while at YouTube at the video you want and paste it into the post (in this case that would be, "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tfI9tTzlI0", without the quotes), and then in your post here, select the address you just pasted (highlight it) by holding your left mouse button down and dragging it over the text, and then when it's highlighted click the little blue TV screen icon in the top right corner above where you type and select "YouTube" from the drop down list. This will insert into your post what's needed for the video to be embedded and play in your post.
Here's the clip:
A Serious Man - The Columbia Record Club Scene
Thank you LD! I'm glad you enjoyed it. Tomorrow, "The Freshman".
RE: What's Your Favorite Movie (and why) - LovinDaHaley - 08-12-2012
(08-12-2012, 12:59 AM)whadaboutluv Wrote: Thank you LD! I'm glad you enjoyed it. Tomorrow, "The Freshman".
^ C'est moi qui vous remercie
The Freshman
Victor Ray: [hands Clark a fake passport] Is that a piece of work or what?
Clark Kellogg: What is this? "Rodolfo Lasparri"?
Victor Ray: Clark, I gotta tell you. The odds are pretty good we're all gonna be on a plane to Palermo, Sicily tonight, at midnight, if we're still walking.
Clark Kellogg: I don't want to go to Palermo, Sicily!
Victor Ray: Have you ever been there?
Clark Kellogg: No, of course not!
Victor Ray: Then you really can't make an informed judgement, can you, Rodolfo?
RE: What's Your Favorite Movie (and why) - whadaboutluv - 08-12-2012
(08-12-2012, 01:12 AM)LovinDaHaley Wrote:(08-12-2012, 12:59 AM)whadaboutluv Wrote: Thank you LD! I'm glad you enjoyed it. Tomorrow, "The Freshman".
^ C'est moi qui vous remercie
The Freshman
Victor Ray: [hands Clark a fake passport] Is that a piece of work or what?
Clark Kellogg: What is this? "Rodolfo Lasparri"?
Victor Ray: Clark, I gotta tell you. The odds are pretty good we're all gonna be on a plane to Palermo, Sicily tonight, at midnight, if we're still walking.
Clark Kellogg: I don't want to go to Palermo, Sicily!
Victor Ray: Have you ever been there?
Clark Kellogg: No, of course not!
Victor Ray: Then you really can't make an informed judgement, can you, Rodolfo?
Je ne vous remercie pas, je vous remercie!
Larry London: Carmine said one boy, here are two!
Larry London: [sings in German] Mein Herz schwebt in Blut! That means 'My Heart Swims In Blood'.
Clark Kellogg: Yeah.
And finally:
Kellogg: [narrating] There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed... because you know things can't get any worse.
RE: What's Your Favorite Movie (and why) - buzzenator - 08-12-2012
(08-10-2012, 04:47 PM)Tom22 Wrote: Ok.. no such thing as “best” but..
Seriously, Tom...the very concept of "best" is why we are here. Some might say "best" is subjective but they have not reached the stage of total consciousness that most of us Haliens have achieved. In this state of mind we are able to determine best from all the rest...
There are forces at work that try to diminish the concept of best...like youtube cyber mods that remove the "best" videos. Therefore, it has been determined that this performance (which we have been denied access to the 2+ million viewed video on youtube here in the USA) was the "best" performance ever on American Idol.
RE: What's Your Favorite Movie (and why) - cherelann - 08-12-2012
The Black Stallion is one of my all time favorite movies. I remember leaving the theater in the late 70's & I felt like I was in another dimension. There is not much dialogue in the first part of the movie, but no words are needed because the cinematography & soundtrack are superb. This is a feel good movie that is best viewed on a big screen...
(08-10-2012, 08:51 PM)buzzenator Wrote: with The Shawshank Redemption...the best movie ever...
Quote:Red (played by Morgan Freedmen) (narrator): I have no idea to this day what those two Italian ladies were singing about. Truth is, I don’t want to know. Some things are best left unsaid. I like to think they were singing about something so beautiful it can’t be expressed in words and makes your heart ache because of it. I tell you, those voices soared higher and farther than anybody in a gray place dares to dream. It was like some beautiful bird flapped into our drab little cage and made those walls dissolve away. And for the briefest of moments, every last man in Shawshank felt free.
Buzz, I don't know if this is the best movie ever, but it is close. When I start feeling hopeless I watch Shawshank Redemption to remind myself that life requires patience & hope for the ultimate satisfaction...
RE: What's Your Favorite Movie (and why) - Tom22 - 08-12-2012
(08-12-2012, 06:49 AM)buzzenator Wrote:(08-10-2012, 04:47 PM)Tom22 Wrote: Ok.. no such thing as “best” but..
Seriously, Tom...the very concept of "best" is why we are here. Some might say "best" is subjective but they have not reached the stage of total consciousness that most of us Haliens have achieved. In this state of mind we are able to determine best from all the rest...
There are forces at work that try to diminish the concept of best...like youtube cyber mods that remove the "best" videos. Therefore, it has been determined that this performance (which we have been denied access to the 2+ million viewed video on youtube here in the USA) was the "best" performance ever on American Idol.
Buzz , Buzz Buzz
you ignorant slut
You're so wrong
This is by far the best video ever on all of National TV history :
RE: What's Your Favorite Movie (and why) - LovinDaHaley - 08-12-2012
(08-12-2012, 01:16 PM)Tom22 Wrote: Buzz , Buzz Buzz
you ignorant slut
You're so wrong
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But you're both so wrong!
It's such a shame the American Idol executive assholes made YouTube take down all the good videos from Season 10
