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RE: Ole signs Haley to New Worldwide Deal! New EP! - Tusk - 10-22-2014
I think we can all agree that 'control' was probably the fulcrum on whether the deals Haley was offered passed the muster for her....
"Everything happens for a reason"... for Haley, it seems to always come back to that
RE: Ole signs Haley to New Worldwide Deal! New EP! - midnightblues - 10-22-2014
OK MAE ill buy that, I know I have said things in my posts that would make other fans' want to put a muzzle on me.Opinions can be misinterpred but ???????
RE: Ole signs Haley to New Worldwide Deal! New EP! - mercfan3 - 10-22-2014
In terms of the "rights to the music" I'm not concerned at all. 75% is huge. Ole sets Haley up with other writers and producers, distributes her music..gets it put on football games and documentaries, of course they get a cut. They need an incentive too. The fact that they likely bought back Haley's songs makes me happy for Haley..I want them to be free for Haley to record again, if she would like (like say, the bridge to "Oh My"..) or just..in general..be part of HER song catalogue, instead of with a label she is no longer with.
As for writing, and cowriting..I think a guitar or piano skill might obviously come in handy for Haley. But I'd say more as a touring ability. If she can play the guitar or play the piano, she can take herself on tour, and not have to pay anyone to accompany her.
But when it comes to writing songs, I'm not sure I buy that, at least if she's going to continue to make pop music. Pop music has a lot to it, and as a result, even great song writers have co-writers. Mary Lambert, for example..I think is the best song writer of this musical generation, Eminem and Adele be damned, but when she was signed to a label and created a pop album, instead of simply a piano based album, she inevitably worked with co-writers. (Including Mozzella.) Similarly, Taylor Swift had a lot of co-writers on her pop album, instead of doing it herself with her guitar based music. Pop music has a lot of formula sand a lot of instrumentation too it. I simply expect co-writers are going to be a part of the deal for that, so long as Haley is writing pop.
And honestly, there could be a few reasons that Haley doesn't know how to play the guitar or piano. Personally, I find instruments with chords incredibly frustrating to learn. I grew up playing the flute and singing. One note at a time. Add chords too it and I want to throw things at people. If Haley focused all of her attention on singing, she might be similar. Also, isn't she more of a "play by ear" instead of through reading music..if that's the case, it might be pretty easy to see why she hasn't learned guitar. I did think she already knew how to play the piano..maybe just not well enough to perform in front of people?
RE: Ole signs Haley to New Worldwide Deal! New EP! - Tusk - 10-22-2014
I saw a few of her co-writing partners chime in with well wishes on her Instagram announcement of the deal. I think these relationships she's built will be very fulfilling as well as rewarding in her development as a song writer. She's now shown an ability for collaboration, as well as the respect of her peers
RE: Ole signs Haley to New Worldwide Deal! New EP! - Miguel - 10-22-2014
Another explanation of co-publishing...
Quote:Co-Publishing Agreements
The co-publishing agreement is one of the most important contractual arrangements in the music industry. It gives the songwriter a share of certain rights and income that he or she would not be entitled to under the standard writer-publisher contract.
For example, under the terms of an exclusive songwriter contract, the writer transfers the copyright of a song or songs to the music publisher and is paid 50% of all earnings received by the publisher from those songs. Under the terms of the co-publishing agreement, however, the writer sells and transfers only a portion of the copyright and retains the other portion for his or her own publishing company. More importantly, the writer receives not only the standard 50% songwriter share of all earnings but also a portion of the 50% that is normally reserved to the music publisher (the so called "publisher's share of income").
As a general rule, the co-publishing arrangement is usually available primarily to writers who have a successful track record of past hits, writer/ performers who have the potential of securing a record deal, writers who have a current recording artist contract, writer-producers and any other writer who has the bargaining power to negotiate such an agreement with a music publisher.
There are a number of basic sets of circumstances which lend themselves to the signing of a co-publishing agreement. The first is where the writer has had a number of hits while signed as an exclusive writer to a publisher and the contract is approaching its expiration date. Considering the writer's past success, the current publisher (or another competing publisher) will offer a co-publishing arrangement for all future compositions (and possibly past songs also) as an inducement to re-sign or sign as an exclusive writer.
http://www.taxi.com/music-business-faq/publishing/co-pub-agree-1.html
Haley's had "hits" in terms of placements, not sales.
(10-22-2014, 08:13 PM)mercfan3 Wrote: The fact that they likely bought back Haley's songs makes me happy for Haley..I want them to be free for Haley to record again, if she would like
In reviewing the last article, I realized Ole already controlled the publishing rights to Listen Up!. Because she's credited as a writer on most of the songs, Haley is free to perform and record the songs again if she wants. I think she and Ole would have to pay her co-writers royalties though.
If anyone other than Haley performs the songs in some professional fashion, Haley and her co-writers, and Ole, are due royalties.
RE: Ole signs Haley to New Worldwide Deal! New EP! - Babbs234 - 10-22-2014
(10-22-2014, 07:31 PM)My Alter Ego Wrote: And I say unpopular things on occasion. Thus, I'm the "resident crank."We love you MAE. And I appreciate all your wisdom and insight. And we know you're a huge fan or you wouldn't be here.
RE: Ole signs Haley to New Worldwide Deal! New EP! - midnightblues - 10-22-2014
Yeah with a label they can keep the recording rights to a song for 5 years Dunno if ole is different.:
RE: Ole signs Haley to New Worldwide Deal! New EP! - Babbs234 - 10-22-2014
Thank you Miquel for posting the article about co publishing. very interesting and sounds like a good step for Haley in terms of rights to her songs. So she can retain a portion of the copyright of the songs she writes under her own publishing company.
I think she is being very careful of what she signs like Tusk said. And she mentioned being "verrry cautious" about labels etc to me when I saw her this summer.
So my question is- Can Ole act like her manager? Does she need a separate manager?
RE: Ole signs Haley to New Worldwide Deal! New EP! - Tusk - 10-22-2014
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RE: Ole signs Haley to New Worldwide Deal! New EP! - Miguel - 10-22-2014
Dina just confirmed to me that her firm represented Haley.