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RE: Philadelphia Music Alliance - 10/26/2015 - ButterandBloom - 10-27-2015
(10-27-2015, 11:23 AM)john Wrote: Haley just appeared in Philly and was a "highlight" of the night according to a newspaper columnist in attendence. Excellent at usual. Yet all that has turned up so far in the media are a couple tweets and some stock Getty photos from the event.
This is a good example of how the need for a manager manifests. She has just performed to honor Billie Holiday and has a hot viral single out that is associated with a viral gum ad. It got noticed by Ellen and by the Today show (or one of those shows) among others. Don't you think a local TV show or even radio would be interested in having her on? I think they would, but nobody is pitching her to them. Haley and her mom quietly come to town, and may quietly leave. We hope somebody notices her, like Jimmy Fallon, but hoping is not the way to go about it.
Only thing I've found so far is this lovely article which almost completely leaves out any mention of the musical entertainment provided to honor the inductees. The writer mentions Dionne Warwick presenting for Billie Holiday, without saying anything about the musical tribute associated with it.
http://www.philly.com/philly/entertainment/DDAPMA27.html
Super annoying.
RE: Philadelphia Music Alliance - 10/26/2015 - Himm2 - 10-27-2015
Whatever i'm allowed to upload from my Camera when I get it back from Patti later this week I'll see if it's OK to post to Youtube, Haley, Ole', PMJ, Ryan Chiavarini (Windy City Live), Scott Bradlee, Jimmy Fallon, Idol, Ellen, etc.
RE: Philadelphia Music Alliance - 10/26/2015 - InItToWinIt - 10-27-2015
I'm not so sure this would be, or have been, a good event for Haley to turn into much self-promotion. She was there by invitation to sing in honor of one of Philadelphia's music honorees. It is not a city she has any real connection to and any media focus for such an event would, and should, be on those being inducted (granted, Jimmy Fallon got quite a bit of attention but that's mostly because he brings attention to the event). I’m glad she got the opportunity to participate and the exposure and respect that brings. Anything more is gravy.
As for needing a manager, I think that will come but it’s Haley decisions and I trust her instincts more than ours. She had a manager and, frankly, she’s done much better after that relationship ended.
RE: Philadelphia Music Alliance - 10/26/2015 - Himm2 - 10-27-2015
(10-27-2015, 12:06 PM)InItToWinIt Wrote: As for needing a manager, I think that will come but it’s Haley decisions and I trust her instincts more than ours. She had a manager and, frankly, she’s done much better after that relationship ended.
THANK YOU THANK YOU - reinforces my thoughts InItToWinIt!
She had a number of offers back when she was trying to latch on to a label or get management help and she was wise to reject a number of those as being not in H.E.R. best interest while consulting with her music industry-knowing parents and lawyer.
RE: Philadelphia Music Alliance - 10/26/2015 - riley - 10-27-2015
I am just happy for Haley and that she even got this gig. Who knows - maybe it was set up before the Wrigley commercial came out. While I searched for any info on the event like a mad person (and was slightly disappointed) she was there and people noticed. This was a Philly event and about the PA inductees (Haley is a Chicago girl) . There were some heavy hitters there for the Gala so I am not really surprised she was not mentioned more than a couple of photos or tweets (I really wanted to hear more). As a fan I want the most press for Haley but many of these people have been in the business for decades who have better name recognition which she can not compete with YET. Her time will come I am convinced - she is paying her dues and I hope it pays off. Yes management would be better but we don't know her circumstances or what she has in the works.
RE: Philadelphia Music Alliance - 10/26/2015 - john - 10-27-2015
Absent management, maybe someone to make some phone calls.
RE: Philadelphia Music Alliance - 10/26/2015 - Himm2 - 10-27-2015
Doesn't ole' provide considerable management for her?
RE: Philadelphia Music Alliance - 10/26/2015 - Tusk - 10-27-2015
(10-27-2015, 12:06 PM)InItToWinIt Wrote: As for needing a manager, I think that will come but it’s Haley decisions and I trust her instincts more than ours. She had a manager and, frankly, she’s done much better after that relationship ended.
The operative word is "effective" management, 19 Did nothing for her for whatever reason. Maybe they saw her being dropped from Interscope coming ( along with 50 other acts when they restructured after she was signed?) so didn't even try.
She did better afterwards mostly due to her talent and a whole lot of serendipity and things aligning just right. Not exactly a sound strategy. Until PMJ came along thanks to knowing Casey who knew Jacob who hooked up with Scott, Haley was with a guy who performed at summer festivals and she was doing background vocals for a local couple guys who broke up before their iTunes came out...Remember that?
Serendipity is an occurrence, not a strategy.
Regardless of what our perception of the significance of the event, doesn't preclude the loss opportunity of capitalizing on one of the bigger exposure events that has happened for Haley since Idol (The Wrigley gum commercial)
Ask any successful professional in the industry if going on without effective management at this point in your career is the way to go, I'd expect most of them will tell you no.
Just as you have someone for legal advice ( Dina), you need someone to run the business of promotion and details of a career in the industry.
She said in June she was 'ready' to pass the responsibility off to management. Even Haley recognises it (her words). She seemed relieved and excited when she told us...as if it's exciting news she wanted to share. Something happened between then and now to stall that, but make no mistake, Haley, and even Harry, knows a next step is "effective", hard working management.
Related, I just got an email from Harry.." I hear they're finally working on a website"...so that's a start..
(10-27-2015, 12:29 PM)Himm2 Wrote: Doesn't ole' provide considerable management for her?
Ole is a distribution, copyright and placement/ revenue collection company and just starting to get into a little music production with some of their acts, including Haley. We also have the bonus of their writing camps, but artist management is not what their primary focus is. I'm willing to bet the other acts with Ole have their own management.
RE: Philadelphia Music Alliance - 10/26/2015 - InItToWinIt - 10-27-2015
I totally agree Haley should have a manager. I just think it is a very important decision and one that needs to be done deliberately. Haley be just a little bit busy lately and that's not likely to subside right soon. She's going on tour next week for about 3 weeks, followed by releasing a single, followed by another week and a half on tour, followed by the debut of a Netflix series, folllowed by the release of an EP. It would be good to have a manager onboard to help coordiate events but a lot of the immediate needs will be handled by PMJ, Ole, and Nextflix.
She should be a great position to secure an excellent ("effective") manager early next year.
RE: Philadelphia Music Alliance - 10/26/2015 - Kevin - 10-27-2015
(10-27-2015, 12:38 PM)Tusk Wrote: Related, I just got an email from Harry.." I hear they're finally working on a website"...so that's a start..
I wonder who "they're" are?
I don't know anything about the business, but I am sure that with everyone she is associated with, she has a list of good management people to recruit from. Maybe there aren't many 'good' ones out there who can be trusted? Getting one of them on-board may require a greater level of success than what she has achieved? All I know is that I had a heck of a time getting a reputable installer to come to my house to install a door. I feel like finding good, trustworthy people to do something for you is getting harder and harder. More people around, less good ones.