"Undone" general discussion (split from interview thread)

[Tom22]

Haley might have hoped that other songs connected more with people but the way I've heard her talk I think her main goal is making music that people connect to period.

I'd be pretty sure she'd be happy to have any song she helped write promoted ... especially now that its been half a year out. Actually I'd be almost certain that she's not telling anyone willing to put time and money behind promoting a song to hold back or only put their efforts into what she prefers. I think even the most established artists aren't allowed to make that decision themselves from their albums either.

I'm sure what's holding it back is $ and cents and the song release thing costs money and might not even be the way to popularity these days.

Is that how big hits by newer (as in un-established) performers hit big ? I looked up that "Bubbley" song which was a huge hit by a new artist in 2007 Colbie Caillat (with some ties to the industry and some credentials (if not too extensive given her young age) as a vocalist on other musicians albums)

I guess that caught an ear with the public after being promoted. Things may have even changed in the last 5 years (gagnam style)

Not that I've heard too much of Colibies music but it does show how tough it is to have a continued sucess in the business even when you do catch a brass ring and get a mega hit single. She's released second and third albums since then without any big hits.

Just trying to gain a little perspective on how things go and was trying to brainstorm recent female vocalists that have edged their way into the public conscious... if even fleetingly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colbie_Caillat


I don't have any real points just thoughts

- that the companies have hundreds of artists that they can try to promote,
- the venues that they promote to have limited spaces for stuff being promoted - they radio etc can only eat up so many chances for new artists..
- I imagine just as important as $ in terms of hard $ outlays related to the promotion, there is the opportunity cost.. each producer etc can only call in so many favors...they can't pitch dozens of things at the same time and they have a bagful and are thinking of what they aren't promoting instead when they are promoting one they have.

Anway, no real point. I'm really thinking Haley's going to get lucky with one of these movie/tv song placements that might get people asking for the songs...easier for them to start pushing something that already has a start before they get their weight behind it.

[jjames865]

Haley might have hoped that other songs connected more with people but the way I've heard her talk I think her main goal is making music that people connect to period.

I'd be pretty sure she'd be happy to have any song she helped write promoted ... especially now that its been half a year out. Actually I'd be almost certain that she's not telling anyone willing to put time and money behind promoting a song to hold back or only put their efforts into what she prefers. I think even the most established artists aren't allowed to make that decision themselves from their albums either.

I'm sure what's holding it back is $ and cents and the song release thing costs money and might not even be the way to popularity these days.

Is that how big hits by newer (as in un-established) performers hit big ? I looked up that "Bubbley" song which was a huge hit by a new artist in 2007 Colbie Caillat (with some ties to the industry and some credentials (if not too extensive given her young age) as a vocalist on other musicians albums)

I guess that caught an ear with the public after being promoted. Things may have even changed in the last 5 years (gagnam style)

Not that I've heard too much of Colibies music but it does show how tough it is to have a continued sucess in the business even when you do catch a brass ring and get a mega hit single. She's released second and third albums since then without any big hits.

Just trying to gain a little perspective on how things go and was trying to brainstorm recent female vocalists that have edged their way into the public conscious... if even fleetingly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colbie_Caillat


I don't have any real points just thoughts

- that the companies have hundreds of artists that they can try to promote,
- the venues that they promote to have limited spaces for stuff being promoted - they radio etc can only eat up so many chances for new artists..
- I imagine just as important as $ in terms of hard $ outlays related to the promotion, there is the opportunity cost.. each producer etc can only call in so many favors...they can't pitch dozens of things at the same time and they have a bagful and are thinking of what they aren't promoting instead when they are promoting one they have.

Anway, no real point. I'm really thinking Haley's going to get lucky with one of these movie/tv song placements that might get people asking for the songs...easier for them to start pushing something that already has a start before they get their weight behind it.

That's my point of asking the question why Haley seems to be shying away from "Undone", because from a fan looking from the outside in it appears that "Undone" has already gained that sort of traction but she wants "Oh My!" to be her next single. I just find it a little curious.

[riley]

That's my point of asking the question why Haley seems to be shying away from "Undone", because from a fan looking from the outside in it appears that "Undone" has already gained that sort of traction but she wants "Oh My!" to be her next single. I just find it a little curious.

Maybe because she does not want her music to be associated as being another person following the top hits (Adele -Amy Winehouse) she is not a ballad singer but she does do jazz quite well but different than Amy. Oh My is more of a music choice of hers???

[midnightblues]

Maybe she wants Oh My to be her next single is because she likes it more than Undone.There are so many Variables.

[john]

It seems to me that Haley doesn't much care for Undone -- at least as far as singing it goes. My guess is that she doesn't like to sing it and she doesn't want to be know as a ballad singer (if it were to become a hit). I imagine she and others like Rob Klein really liked Oh My! right from the beginning and saw that as a song with the potential to be a strong single.

I wish she would go with Undone as the single because it has the greatest potential to be a hit and achieving that milestone would open a lot of doors. It would make Listen Up! a more popular album and perhaps increase the popularity of Oh My! as a follow on single. Oh My and HTGR get a lot of exposure on ESPN but not much interest. On the other hand the short clip of Undone in the Step Up movie brought a lot attention to that song.

[Miguel]

It's possible Haley decided to not perform "Undone" during the Allen Stone gigs because it didn't feel appropriate for the setting. But Interscope doesn't appear to be doing much right now and she needs to ride the hot hand to build awareness of her and her music. Another thing to consider is "Oh My" doesn't work as well acoustically. It needs a full band to really make it pop.

[Miguel]

6 hrs ago

Leletu M. Busakwe ‏@Lady_Lethu_May

Haley Reinhart_ undone...this song brings me happiness.

26 min ago

erica applebaum ‏@erisloane

"undone" by hailey reinhart makes me feel like absolute shit #music #nowlistening

[Himm2]

^ interesting contrast of emotions Miguel. Stirring a reaction is what separates Haley's lyrics from music that's just for the sake of selling noise.

[Miguel]

Tweet made 2 min ago

you ‏@exhaustedhearts

undone by haley reinhart makes me cry uncontrollably

[john]

^ interesting contrast of emotions Miguel. Stirring a reaction is what separates Haley's lyrics from music that's just for the sake of selling noise.

It seems that the song quite evocative, but just what it evokes depends on a person's history and temperament. When I hear the Undone I find my attention drawn to the sound of Haley's voice, which always brings me joy.