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Haley arrested in Palatine, IL (July 2017). Court appearance (Feb 2018)
02-28-2018, 01:56 PM,
RE: Haley arrested in Palatine, IL (July 2017). Court appearance (Feb 2018)
Her lawyer failed her, or she said they never gave her an option for a jury trial....not sure if "they" was the court, but if that was available and her lawyer didn't inform her of that option, that is a HUGE fail on their part.

TMZ is still Team Haley and believe a jury would've considered the context which it didn't sound like the Judge did.

Regarding the video the Judge referred to (Haley doesn't know if it will be released), she said the video is one of those poor stop/start types, frame to frame, so she thinks it was very up to interpretation, of which she disagreed w/ what the Judge saw

It could be the Judge didn't give her an option for a jury trial, but if that was available to her and her legal team didn't advise her?

All I can say, Haley deserves better...Dodgy
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03-01-2018, 02:03 PM,
RE: Haley arrested in Palatine, IL (July 2017). Court appearance (Feb 2018)
Most Lawyers are worthless in my experience. I would think with all the air miles & continuances she's endured with this bogus charge she just wanted it to be over with without another delay & added costs to her for a jury or an appeal. It's not even close to a felony and not worthy of a misdemeanor and won't affect anything in her future other than some misinformed idiot's social media opinion. It will be expunged in two years anyway.
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03-01-2018, 02:37 PM,
RE: Haley arrested in Palatine, IL (July 2017). Court appearance (Feb 2018)
They've finally posted it....Haley's interview begins at 10:15

http://www.tmz.com/2018/02/28/tmz-live/
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03-01-2018, 04:38 PM,
RE: Haley arrested in Palatine, IL (July 2017). Court appearance (Feb 2018)
(03-01-2018, 02:37 PM)Tusk Wrote: They've finally posted it....Haley's interview begins at 10:15

http://www.tmz.com/2018/02/28/tmz-live/

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03-02-2018, 11:59 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-03-2018, 12:01 AM by Haleylvr4evr.)
RE: Haley arrested in Palatine, IL (July 2017). Court appearance (Feb 2018)
I am just thankful that this is all over with. We all know how sweet and genuinely kind Haley is, and that she would never intentionally hurt someone. Heart She doesn't deserve all these legal issues, and I hope she knows how much we all love her Heart
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03-05-2018, 10:11 PM,
RE: Haley arrested in Palatine, IL (July 2017). Court appearance (Feb 2018)
(02-26-2018, 04:42 PM)Tusk Wrote:
(02-26-2018, 04:17 PM)mercfan3 Wrote: Interesting, the whole "these people are all in cohorts with each other." Does she mean the prosecutors and nightclub? It wouldn't surprise me if they are.

It's unlikely she was talking about the court system including the prosecutor.

I think the 'cohorts' thing refers to the Lamplighter and the local police. The history of bouncer abuse, the fact that the police allow it to continue doing business even though it regularly goes down there to pick up drunks, break up fight, implies that they allow it because it's easy revenue for them w/o much effort.

Up here, if a business continues unable to control how drunk it gets it's patrons, doing something to reduce fights, normally those kinds of businesses get fined so much they can't operate, or they have to shut down and move elsewhere.

The Lamplighter is a Palatine institution and despite the continued issues of fighting and drunkenness, has been allowed to continue operating, the police have allowed it and are happy to take the revenue from fines and jail time

I'm hoping people see perspective in this, that Haley has the opportunity to get this off her record despite video evidence, and not go after the courts on social media. I think they HAD to charge Haley w/ something from the video evidence, so charged her w/ the minimum w/ a chance to get rid of it completely from her record. If there's video of Haley indeed punching the bouncer in the face, which could be argued initiated the brawl, they can't drop the charge.

If it was hearsay, her word against theirs' (Haley w/ no history of trouble, Lamplighter w/ years of evidence of over the top abuse), then the court might have leeway to not charge Haley at all.

Video evidence didn't give the court that option.

As PJ says, the video evidence is public record, so we will likely see it eventually, probably via TMZ (who have their hands full right now, Heather Locklear apparently assaulted Police officers )


This is how I see it too Tusk... very well expressed .. beyond my capability with words.

I agree that to a large extent the courts hands were somewhat tied if the attorney didn't make the point .. and Haley only tacitly made the point in a mixed fashion in the interview, that the contact she had was more of a push away, not a punch... but she was wishy washy on that sort of justifying whatever happened by talking about what others were doing rather than talking about her actions.

I DO believe she was justfied however, being justified doesn't mean you avoid punishiment ... I'd shoot a guy that molested my kid but I'd deserve to go to jail for some sort of murder ... perhaps with only a 10 year sentence instead of life in prison etc.

Also.. attacking the courts goes nowhere.. the courts need to uphold the rule of law over violence and they weren't throwing the book at her in terms of punishment or anything.

But.. Haley attacking the restaurant and stating that they are getting away unpunished more tactfully indicts the police without calling them corrupt. Her "read the Yelp reviews to see how often this happens" was the right approach.

INMO .. rather than talking about disgreement with the judge.. which is a mixed publicity thing ... sure to rub some wrong, and to rub future judges wrong (and let face it.. all stars get accused more and if she's got a life ahead in entertainment she will certainly be accused of wrongdoing again ... even if by someone in the public trying to shake her down for money) ... She NEEDS judges on her side.. they'll read this crap like any humans will and be slightly biased against her for her slights.

BETTER would have been a broad call like "I am really sorry to have gotten caught up in this dangerous situations from a dangerously run place and sorry that the tussle broke out as I was trying to escape... sorry and confused that the bouncer saw my defensive pushback as a deliberate blow meant to hurt. Still I really want to encourage everyone to come forward and voice their experiences on places like yelp and elsewhere and report abusive bouncer behavior to newspapers and the police to prevent what is far too common thuggery"

"Just think if my friends could get abused like this with our benefit of the doubt, think how minorities and others must get abused by bar staff all the time. We need to speak out on this and raise public awareness and encourage law enforcment to keep bouncers from using their job title as an excuse for violence".

She can certainly be proactive.. just call for a believe in the system improving rather than attacking the judicial system that would be the cause of help.
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03-06-2018, 11:35 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-06-2018, 11:42 AM by Miguel.)
RE: Haley arrested in Palatine, IL (July 2017). Court appearance (Feb 2018)
Haley's lawyer is running for judge -- The 12th Subcircuit

https://www.carminetrombettaforjudge.com/

5 candidates... https://www.ballotready.org/positions/79719

Quote:In the 12th subcircuit (Maki vacancy), which includes parts of Wheeling, Northfield, New Trier, Elk Grove and Maine townships, the Illinois State Bar Association rated Alan M. Jacob as not recommended and Thomas Raymond Molitor as not qualified. The ISBA rated David Studenroth, Joel Chupack and Carmine Trombetta qualified.

For the same 12th subcircuit, the Chicago Bar Association rated Jacob, Trombetta and Molitor as not recommended. The CBA found Studenroth qualified and Chupack highly qualified.

^ interesting Trombetta is the only one with mixed recommendations

Comment on article:
Quote:The Bar Association ratings are a joke. You go before a committee for 15 minutes and they decide if your "qualified" or not. An attorney I know, with 42 years of trial experience was found "unqualified" by the ISBA for no known reason while all of the other Bar Associations who sat in on the same interview found him hignly qualified. As usual in Cook County it's who you know and not what you know.

http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20180301...mendations



The judge hearing Haley's case was James Karahalios.
There's another judge in the area named Peter Karahalios.
And one who retired in 2010 named Pamela G. Karahalios.
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03-07-2018, 08:42 PM,
RE: Haley arrested in Palatine, IL (July 2017). Court appearance (Feb 2018)
Haley got off with a "guilty" (after recorded video) and a 500 dollar fine..that might be waved as well as her misdemeanor.

Her lawyer did a good job.

Generally speaking, law tends to go with the more conservative option.
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03-08-2018, 12:13 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-08-2018, 12:23 AM by Tusk.)
RE: Haley arrested in Palatine, IL (July 2017). Court appearance (Feb 2018)
Even though a hater or two has posted a comment to me on Twitter (usually condescendingly) these people matter not at all to me, I'm sure they matter much less to Haley. Reacting to them gives them more effort than they're worth. At this point, it's in the past, I trust Haley will be able to expunge it from her record, then it's as if it never happened. Haley and her career are so much bigger than this and therefore there's little else to say, but "onwards and upwards" Tongue
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05-02-2018, 02:29 PM,
RE: Haley arrested in Palatine, IL (July 2017). Court appearance (Feb 2018)
5-2-18

Quote:Palatine bartender pleads guilty to battery in altercation that involved 'American Idol' singer Haley Reinhart

Palatine bartender charged in a melee that involved a former “American Idol” contestant last year was sentenced Wednesday to probation and anger management counseling.

Adam Sobanski, 33, pleaded guilty in Cook County Circuit Court to a reduced charge of misdemeanor battery in the incident July 8 at the Lamplighter Inn Tavern & Grille. Sobanski originally was charged with six counts of aggravated battery for choking and punching a male friend of Haley Reinhart, the “American Idol” contestant who grew up in Wheeling and is following a singing career.

The felony counts against Sobanski were dropped in exchange for his plea. Sobanski, who lives in Palatine, also was sentenced to 60 days in the Cook County Sheriff’s Work Alternative Program, a substitute for jail time.

The victim, Alan Chislof, suffered a broken nose, black eyes and facial bruising and cuts that required stitching, Assistant State’s Attorney Kristin Piper said. Chislof was in agreement with Sobanski’s sentence, she said.

In passing sentence, Judge Marc Martin said the original charges reflect “great bodily harm” in the incident, but he went along with the plea since Chislof was in agreement.

Sobanski was working as a “back bar” employee when a confrontation began between Reinhart and security personnel at the nightspot, Piper said. Reinhart and her friends were being escorted from the bar when Sobanski placed Chislof in a chokehold and then began striking him, Piper said.

Reinhart was issued a municipal violation for battery and was found guilty earlier this year of striking a bouncer during the melee. She was ordered to pay $650 in fines and court costs.

Reinhart, who moved to Los Angeles, earned a spot on “American Idol” in 2011. She finished in third place and since has released two albums.

Chicago Tribune
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