^ I think it started with this premise...
Quote:Outcast Wrote:
Haley I think has fallen a little bit as a performer since Idol while James and Casey have grown.
Quote:Tusk Wrote:
Bluesman, I think you are misinterpreting what Outcast is saying, that because Haley hasn't been 'allowed' the touring experience, experience especially with her band, she hasn't been able to grow the way she is capable of. They haven't had time to gel. Even you can't deny that.
James and Casey have been touring, touring and more touring. They can't help but improve. These are not opinions these are facts, the more you do something, especially play together as a band, the better you get.
That, IMO, is a fair criticism. As Outcast said, we should look forward to 2013 as hopefully the touring experience will begin in earnest for Haley, and she will gain the experience with her band she should have gained last year.
Even though I see Tusk where you are trying to nuance or parse the statements about "growing" to soften the original statement by Outcast...I still would have to totally disagree with this assessment.
To say that Haley has not grown during the past year, even if you split hairs by referencing a lack of touring which would have helped...not buying any of it. If Haley had wanted to create a band, one that would have consistently performed together, it would have been incongruous with her position at Interscope. Her own management was not backing a Haley band formation. They were providing some musicians necessary to perform at a variety of public and private settings/promotional events.
The very comparison the two of you have made between James and Haley speaks to this divergent path each artist has taken. James going the heavy metal band route...and wasn't there a shake up with that mix of band members? Haley choosing and being chosen to be a solo artist with a variety of musicians around her. Using Casey as an example of touring reinforces the concept that you don't need a band to be growing or touring.
Sorry Outcast and Tusk...I'm not agreeing with any 20/20 hindsight that would have had Haley doing anything different to have grown more over the last year. Call it Monday Morning Quarterbacking or whatever...Haley was limited by the Interscope contract and the management decisions that she was obligated to.
To make the statement that you are not above criticizing an artist is simply self-serving to show a faux sophistication, i.e. the flask man. We've seen this attitude before on MJs..."I like Haley, but..."
I'm not starting anything here. I know Tusk you are looking for a PC way of tempering the original premise of Haley not growing. I'm simply not letting what was written slip by as being accepted as fact when it is not...at least by this Halien.
Again, we all love the Listen Up album. Even if we think there are many great singles on it, the buying public didn't choose one. It only lacked a bona fide hit single. To say it wasn't heard enough is sort of a chicken vs egg, what came first argument. If she had a hit single we wouldn't be discussing a lack of growth. Can I get 3 cents back on my nickel?
