(05-07-2013, 02:13 PM)Tom22 Wrote: I'm glad people let my "self indulgent" (as simon would say) posts in this and another thread slide. Not that I said anything wrong but there was a lot of opinion that wasn't necessarily insightful spewed out.
Tom - I can think of at least one very key point you made in your previous posts. And that was in order to come to any type of conclusion, we all needed to agree on what the defines of each vocal type and what we were comparing them against. And that's mainly my fault because beyond the ranges of....
Soprano: C4-C6
Mezzo-Soprano: A3-A5
Contra-Alto: F3-E5
....used as the range each voice type is responsible for covering in classical music (and listed unaltered for singers of popular music) I didn't know any specifics beyond that. Well I did know Contra-Alto's are typically strongest at the lower end of their range, Mezzo's typically in their mid-range, & Soprano's in their upper range and I should've mentioned that when I first asked the question.
Even the names we're using for each type differs. TBH, when Kaypea says he thinks Haley is an Alto, I don't know if he's using 3 vocal types (Alto, Mezzo-Soprano & Soprano) & is using the term Alto in place of Contra-Alto or if he's using 4 vocal types w/ Alto falling in between Contra-Alto & Mezzo-Soprano.
Other than that I think I get where he's coming from though. And I think it's that the ranges used to classify singers (& some instruments) in the classical system should remain unchanged even though popular music is sung lower than classical music. It's a valid point even if I don't agree with it 100%. I get it though.
What I was really wanting to know though, is if NON-Classical female vocalists were divided into Contra-Altos, Mezzo-Sopranos & Sopranos, which would Haley be? So if popular music is naturally sung lower than classical that's taken into account.
So if I'm trying to figure out Haley's voice type & I compare this video...
Note: Btw, it may help some people reading this thread to know that octaves start on C (not A), meaning each octave goes from C up to B from lowest to highest.
Note 2: the D3 listed is Haley using a technique called vocal fry to get down there in "Oh My". There's nothing wrong w/ that & it sounds really cool too, but it's considered outside her modal register. Also notice that she's able go over halfway up into the 5th octave using her chest voice when she wants to.
...to a voice range video of Amy & Adele. Who are always listed as Contra-Altos.
(Notice how much more they're singing in the 3rd octave & you don't hear their chest voices past the first couple of notes in the 5th octave)
After listening to these 2 videos back to back, unless we're classifying Amy & Adele as Tenors (which we're not right?), I'd say Haley is at least a Mezzo-Soprano, possibly a Soprano.
I just wanted to add that Amy, Adele & Haley are three of my favorites because of what they sing and the way they sing it rather than their vocal type.
OK that's all I got.
