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Paul McDonald
09-16-2013, 11:13 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-16-2013, 12:03 PM by Tom22.)
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RE: Paul McDonald
If the failure to land a spot on a tour has been that of Haley's agents, it is their failure in convincing the Headline bands, not a failure of pulling in favors between promoters (if what I've read is correct, and it seems supported in multiple places)

A headliner is going to take over-all appreciation for talent into account, but they have a heavy motivation in being sure that talent compliments their own. The Headliner will have their own specific ideas about what they think their fans want to hear, and what mood they would like the audience to be in when they take the stage

Our opinion on how good Haley is really worth zero.... the opinion we need to form is based on which headliners will see Haley as the best opener for their show..... imagine their opinion.. not decide if it will work.
(you all might form different opinions of what Kelly Clarkson would think of course !)

Also, RE the Kelly Clarkson thing.. yes there is room for song choice variations but that wan't the stark difference betwen Haley in Vegas/haley at BG/Haley in Indonesia/Haleyw w/Casey. (I'm talking Live.. yes the songs will have a greater difference in the studio) I never said she can't sing all the songs from her album but a show isn't going to have mutiple bands up there with her. Midnight is going to bring something a bit more bluesy to a more urban sound on her album. That Jakarata band would make them sound more pop.. no matter how hard they tried I imagine.

I saw Kelly live and yes she did classic southern rock songs along with her catchy pop hits. Some of those songs did cross over into more country but country with electric guitars... maybe like Eric Clapton will play some country. The little girls dominating the audience came for the pop songs most (which are what has made Kelly finacially) which in the words she used between songs was clearly a bit disappointing to Kelly. Country is so close to "light rock" these days that which songs can "crossover" aren't really a matter of the performer performing in very different styles. Its not like the difference between Kenny Rodgers and "the who" or something.

Anyway... certainly there is room for different opinions and my opinions are only based on what I've read.

Here is the best professionally written article I've found that tries to reference third party sources with experience in the industry. It is not just some blogger sharing some thoughts from 5 years ago.

http://triblive.com/aande/music/3137838-...z2f4S8JyVP

Quote:The biggest change might be that the headliners themselves are choosing which artists open for them. The Red Hot Chili Peppers handpicked the Swedish outfit Little Dragon to open for them on their summer tour. Bonnie Raitt invited friend Mavis Staples as a supporting act. Justin Bieber chose Carly Rae Jepsen, the singer with the monster hit “Call Me Maybe,” although she missed the Pittsburgh show because of illness.

Rishon Blumberg, manager for the Clarks, says most record companies no longer have the financial leverage to push an opening act on an artist.

“Back in the heyday when labels were doling out large amounts of tour support and major labels ruled the land, there was a much stronger influence on support-act choices made by industry insiders,” he says. “ ‘We've rubbed your back ... now you rub our back and put on baby band X onto your tour.' ”

I've seen that idea supported by other articles in recent years... almost always mentioning XXXX singer "selected" xxx to open for them.

Quote:“I'd say support acts continue to be the norm,” Blumberg says. “In some cases, venues demand them.”

An opening act can help club owners ring up more drink sales, since some audience members gravitate to the bar during the opening band's set. But Blumberg says the Clarks also want to give fans their money's worth by adding an opener to the bill.

“In some instances, we add support because we want to give patrons as much entertainment as we can for their hard-earned dollars and also to introduce them to an artist that the band likes and thinks their fans would like,” Blumberg says.

The most consistent other point I saw in other articles targeted to hopefuls was that the best way of getting a shot) was showing that they filled smaller houses regularly. Part of that was the ability to bring in extra people on their own, and I'm sure that lots of it was to respect that they had mastered the art of live performance and entertain their fans.

If there isn't a show to see, it is going to be tougher. I'd say that Haley's recent BG performance showed just that...with the strong help of the band behind her that has played live forever.

Remeber that Casadee pope had played as a member rock band for years (that actually had a record contract of their own) before her The Voice experience. I believe Casey Jones had a simlar extended live-club experience experience was similar and.. he is quite a good guitar player.. maybe a better guitar player than a singer, making it that much easier for

Another thought I saw repeated elsewhere was the benefit of having a female dominated act opening for a male one and vice versa. The vise versa part helps to emphasize that it isn't a "cattyness" thing but a contrast thing.... while they might want a simlar overall sound they don't want "the same but worse" . If you look at the choices the big performes make.. both male and female, there seems to be well over a 50% chance of that. Another way they do that contrast is the "young up and coming band" opening for the "classic band" .

( the later is not far from the discussion about how Haley and Casey would help a number of goals of Irviin Mayfields stewardship of his charity.. both in filling seats to cover more of the expenses and, equally importantly in his mission to expand the Jazz -industry- as described in NOJO's mission statement)
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Paul McDonald - by mercfan3 - 09-10-2013, 10:46 PM
RE: Paul McDonald - by Miguel - 09-12-2013, 11:47 AM
RE: Paul McDonald - by mercfan3 - 09-12-2013, 03:44 PM
RE: Paul McDonald - by Miguel - 09-12-2013, 09:35 PM
RE: Paul McDonald - by mercfan3 - 09-14-2013, 08:19 AM
RE: Paul McDonald - by Tom22 - 09-15-2013, 12:15 AM
RE: Paul McDonald - by mercfan3 - 09-15-2013, 06:38 PM
RE: Paul McDonald - by Tusk - 09-15-2013, 08:48 PM
RE: Paul McDonald - by Miguel - 09-15-2013, 09:59 PM
RE: Paul McDonald - by midnightblues - 09-15-2013, 10:24 PM
RE: Paul McDonald - by Tom22 - 09-16-2013, 11:13 AM
RE: Paul McDonald - by Miguel - 09-16-2013, 02:11 PM
RE: Paul McDonald - by mercfan3 - 09-16-2013, 03:17 PM
RE: Paul McDonald - by Outcast - 09-16-2013, 04:21 PM
RE: Paul McDonald - by 30CamdenSquare - 08-16-2014, 01:17 AM
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