(02-26-2018, 04:42 PM)Tusk Wrote: (02-26-2018, 04:17 PM)mercfan3 Wrote: Interesting, the whole "these people are all in cohorts with each other." Does she mean the prosecutors and nightclub? It wouldn't surprise me if they are.
It's unlikely she was talking about the court system including the prosecutor.
I think the 'cohorts' thing refers to the Lamplighter and the local police. The history of bouncer abuse, the fact that the police allow it to continue doing business even though it regularly goes down there to pick up drunks, break up fight, implies that they allow it because it's easy revenue for them w/o much effort.
Up here, if a business continues unable to control how drunk it gets it's patrons, doing something to reduce fights, normally those kinds of businesses get fined so much they can't operate, or they have to shut down and move elsewhere.
The Lamplighter is a Palatine institution and despite the continued issues of fighting and drunkenness, has been allowed to continue operating, the police have allowed it and are happy to take the revenue from fines and jail time
I'm hoping people see perspective in this, that Haley has the opportunity to get this off her record despite video evidence, and not go after the courts on social media. I think they HAD to charge Haley w/ something from the video evidence, so charged her w/ the minimum w/ a chance to get rid of it completely from her record. If there's video of Haley indeed punching the bouncer in the face, which could be argued initiated the brawl, they can't drop the charge.
If it was hearsay, her word against theirs' (Haley w/ no history of trouble, Lamplighter w/ years of evidence of over the top abuse), then the court might have leeway to not charge Haley at all.
Video evidence didn't give the court that option.
As PJ says, the video evidence is public record, so we will likely see it eventually, probably via TMZ (who have their hands full right now, Heather Locklear apparently assaulted Police officers )
This is how I see it too Tusk... very well expressed .. beyond my capability with words.
I agree that to a large extent the courts hands were somewhat tied if the attorney didn't make the point .. and Haley only tacitly made the point in a mixed fashion in the interview, that the contact she had was more of a push away, not a punch... but she was wishy washy on that sort of justifying whatever happened by talking about what others were doing rather than talking about her actions.
I DO believe she was justfied however, being justified doesn't mean you avoid punishiment ... I'd shoot a guy that molested my kid but I'd deserve to go to jail for some sort of murder ... perhaps with only a 10 year sentence instead of life in prison etc.
Also.. attacking the courts goes nowhere.. the courts need to uphold the rule of law over violence and they weren't throwing the book at her in terms of punishment or anything.
But.. Haley attacking the restaurant and stating that they are getting away unpunished more tactfully indicts the police without calling them corrupt. Her "read the Yelp reviews to see how often this happens" was the right approach.
INMO .. rather than talking about disgreement with the judge.. which is a mixed publicity thing ... sure to rub some wrong, and to rub future judges wrong (and let face it.. all stars get accused more and if she's got a life ahead in entertainment she will certainly be accused of wrongdoing again ... even if by someone in the public trying to shake her down for money) ... She NEEDS judges on her side.. they'll read this crap like any humans will and be slightly biased against her for her slights.
BETTER would have been a broad call like "I am really sorry to have gotten caught up in this dangerous situations from a dangerously run place and sorry that the tussle broke out as I was trying to escape... sorry and confused that the bouncer saw my defensive pushback as a deliberate blow meant to hurt. Still I really want to encourage everyone to come forward and voice their experiences on places like yelp and elsewhere and report abusive bouncer behavior to newspapers and the police to prevent what is far too common thuggery"
"Just think if my friends could get abused like this with our benefit of the doubt, think how minorities and others must get abused by bar staff all the time. We need to speak out on this and raise public awareness and encourage law enforcment to keep bouncers from using their job title as an excuse for violence".
She can certainly be proactive.. just call for a believe in the system improving rather than attacking the judicial system that would be the cause of help.
Haley arrested in Palatine, IL (July 2017). Court appearance (Feb 2018)
