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03-18-2013, 11:30 PM
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IMO, Haley has a lot more, I don't know how to say it musically, texture, and variety in her voice, along with that power, which makes her very appealing to listen to, for me.
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03-18-2013, 11:50 PM
Post: #12
RE: Haley shrines, temples, homages...
(03-18-2013 11:30 PM)Babbs234 Wrote:  IMO, Haley has a lot more, I don't know how to say it musically, texture, and variety in her voice, along with that power, which makes her very appealing to listen to, for me.

Technically, Siobhan is a very good singer (if a bit nasally at times). She has a pure tone and a very good vibrato. I agree with you that Haley is just more interesting as a singer. Haley has a unique tone and a special way with phrasing like no one else. I can listen to Haley endlessly. Siobhan not so much, although watching the video Tusk put up did bring up some nice memories.
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03-19-2013, 01:01 AM
Post: #13
RE: S10
The latest on Siobhan: http://haleyfans.com/showthread.php?tid=...2#pid24372
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03-19-2013, 11:55 AM
Post: #14
RE: S10
LOL. I had the feeling we were getting a little off topic. I'm glad that Miguel decided to split off the topic rather than erase it completely. Thank you for keeping things on track. Smile
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03-19-2013, 08:10 PM
Post: #15
RE: S10
Since Season 10, I continue to read Michael Slezak's TVLine recaps about the current season of American Idol and follow the comments. I find it interesting that so many of the comments that I'm seeing this year keep mentioning the deep talent pool of last year (as "so good," "the best," etc.) as compared to this year.

And while, to some degree, I will agree with that, there seems to be a memory lapse about the, at least equally deep if not deeper, talent pool of the year before. While there are shout outs about Haley or someone else (mainly Haley) interspersed (and, of course, there are the frequent Michael and/or Melinda "Haley" references), I'm, I guess, bemused by how: a.) quickly people forget; b.) how little some of these folks know; or c.) ?? how people like to comment without any knowledge whatsoever ????.

Perhaps it's because there do seem to be a lot of new commenters (unless some/many of them change their online identity from year to year). And granted, some of these folks seem to confuse Season 9 and Season 10. I definitely don't get that (but I'm into detail, where, obviously, others are not). All in all , it's very curious to me, and, in some ways, makes me want to don my "researcher's hat" and pursue.
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03-21-2013, 01:49 PM (This post was last modified: 03-21-2013 03:54 PM by Tom22.)
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RE: Haley shrines, temples, homages...
(03-18-2013 11:06 PM)Tusk Wrote:  Everything really fell into place in S10 starting with Simon leaving (he was bored and didn't care in S9...so I've heard, didn't watch it) AND Steven Tyler came aboard to give her that much needed support from the Judge's corner.

BTW...I didn't care or watch S9... I get that Siobhan was quirky, and different from the 'ballad' type singers usually on AI, but this hubub about Haley stealing HOTRS a capella beginning?

I finally got to watch Siobhan's HOTRS, and, yes I'm Very biased, but....it doesn't come close at all in magnitude, power or finesse compared to Haley's HOTRS... Not even a fair comparison IMO HuhTongue









IMO Siobhan did a cover of the Animal's HOTRS
Haley on the other hand, tore that song down and build it to climax ...compare their endings? She re invented it, just like she re invented BATJ. Cool

This might shock you (parenthesies are to be sure it comes across as personal opinion.. ; ) .. and that I'm in the minority)

But I(my should-try-to-be humble ear) find Siobans Vastly better than Haley's. (crazy huh?)

I can't even listen to Haley's.. even though I can listen to every other Haley song 4 times in a row.

(for me) Haley so entirely misses the points to the song and I don't even have a clue about what other point Haley is making about it.

Normally I like a more positive fighting attitude spin that Haley puts on almost every song but... I've got no clue even where that is going with what words she emphasizes and ...well even on top of the words I don't find the pure notes pleasing either.

I do rather like Sioban's version as a stand a alone too. I'm just saying it means something and its pleasant for my ear. I'm not making any immensely positive statement about it.

I'm not inclined to compare two artists but given that I hit skip midway through haley's version if I happen to still have it in a play list.. its pretty easy for me to say that.

I really really like the song too. I used to listen to the animals versions all the time. I think Sioban comes pretty close to their studio versions. I do think another artist could do it even better though...build upon the Animals. Evidently it was a song thats been around for a long time... perhaps even an old sailing song that made it from Ireland to the south with some twists along the way back and forth over time.

(I think that my ear hearing the chords as a sort of sailing song and expecting that sort of fireside story telling version it could be a major chunk of my turnoff from Haley's version... but its more than that ... there are a few notes Haley sings that I do not like at all and those particular notes are so front and center that really hurts too.. and dissapointment because I certainly Expect to love anything Haley sings)
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03-21-2013, 02:39 PM (This post was last modified: 03-21-2013 02:49 PM by cherelann.)
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RE: S10
^^Very brave analysis, Tom. However, you did make me listen to both versions again. I do think that Siobhan was coming from a more personal place with her version. However, I enjoy Haley's tone more so Haley's version hits my sweet spot.

Music is subjective on so many different levels but I am impressed that you had the guts to give an opinion that isn't Haley positive...different points of view help us reexamine our perspectives. HuhHeartHuh

ETA: And sometimes we do change our minds...
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03-21-2013, 03:46 PM (This post was last modified: 03-21-2013 05:54 PM by Tom22.)
Post: #18
RE: S10
(03-21-2013 02:39 PM)cherelann Wrote:  ^^Very brave analysis, Tom. However, you did make me listen to both versions again. I do think that Siobhan was coming from a more personal place with her version. However, I enjoy Haley's tone more so Haley's version hits my sweet spot.

Music is subjective on so many different levels but I am impressed that you had the guts to give an opinion that isn't Haley positive...different points of view help us reexamine our perspectives. HuhHeartHuh

ETA: And sometimes we do change our minds...


Everyone is entitled to be pleased by what they hear, the way they hear it!

I know I'm in the vast minority on this one as I think the House of the Rising Sun was one of the best selling singles from AI10 and definitely by a noticeble margin over all but a couple others !

So yes... to each their own! 100% no-qualifications I agree

I think more than anything.. because I like Haley's singing so much, its jarring to me when there's something she sings that I don't like ! (its the only one! other than a couple recordings where I can't tell from the sound quality not giving them a fair shake)

Here is where I'm coming on from the Sailing song comment. I couldn't find this type of version of the actual song but I hear enough of this in the Animals and Sioban and the sound , brought a bit more current, was probably part of my fascination with the song.

Again.. .my personal fascination.. no need for others to think of it that way.





My ear just heard old English folk roots in hearing the animals version.. and while I never actively thought about it, my ear probably had expectations.

I googled this all a year ago trying to figure out what my problem with Haley's version was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_House_o...Rising_Sun

Quote:Origin and early versions

Like many classic folk ballads, the authorship of "The House of the Rising Sun" is uncertain. Musicologists say that it is based on the tradition of broadside ballads such as the Unfortunate Rake of the 18th century and that English emigrants took the song to America where it was adapted to its later New Orleans setting. Alan Price of The Animals has even claimed that the song was originally a sixteenth-century English folk song about a Soho brothel.[1]
The oldest known existing recording is by Appalachian artists Clarence "Tom" Ashley and Gwen Foster, who recorded it for Vocalion Records in 1934.[2] Ashley said he had learned it from his grandfather, Enoch Ashley.
The song was among those collected by folklorist Alan Lomax, who, along with his father, was a curator of the Archive of American Folk Song for the Library of Congress. On an expedition with his wife to eastern Kentucky, Lomax set up his recording equipment in Middlesborough, Kentucky, in the house of a singer and activist called Tilman Cadle. In 1937 he recorded a performance by Georgia Turner, the 16-year-old daughter of a local miner. He called it "The Rising Sun Blues."[2] Lomax later recorded a different version sung by Bert Martin and a third sung by Daw Henson, both eastern Kentucky singers. In his 1941 songbook Our Singing Country, Lomax credits the lyrics to Turner,[2] with reference to Martin's version. According to his later writing, the melody bears similarities to the traditional English ballad "Matty Groves."[3][4]

Quote:The Animals version


An interview with Eric Burdon revealed that he first heard the song in a club in Newcastle, England, where it was sung by the Northumbrian folk singer Johnny Handle. The Animals were on tour with Chuck Berry and chose it because they wanted something distinctive to sing.[3] This interview denies assertions that the inspiration for their arrangement came from Bob Dylan. The band enjoyed a huge hit with the song, much to Dylan's chagrin when his version was referred to as a cover—the irony of which was not lost on Van Ronk, who said the whole issue was a "tempest in a teapot", and that Dylan stopped playing the song after The Animals' hit because fans accused Dylan of plagiarism. Dylan has said he first heard The Animals' version on his car radio and "jumped out of his car seat" because he liked it so much.

Dave Marsh described The Animals' take on "The House of the Rising Sun" as "the first folk-rock hit", sounding "as if they'd connected the ancient tune to a live wire",[6] while writer Ralph McLean of the BBC agreed that "it was arguably the first folk rock tune", calling it "a revolutionary single" after which "the face of modern music was changed forever."[7] Dave Van Ronk claims that this version was based on his arrangement of the song.[8]
The Animals' version transposes the narrative of the song from the point of view of a woman led into a life of degradation, to that of a male, whose father was now a gambler and drunkard, as opposed to the sweetheart in earlier versions.


While the animals thought they were bringing it from New Castle, it had come from there long long before they brought it.

It is quite a long article.. those are just snippets... the song was recorded by many old school American country/ fold artists. Woodie Gunthri in 1941 . I can't even name all they list in the article.

It seems like every third performe did a version of it in the 40 years too including The Ventures, Sinead Occoner. BON JOVI ... and more The doors, The White Buffalo (punkish), nina Simone, Susy Chapman, the grateful dead, Pink Floyd etc.. really everyone.

Here are is a reall old one back woods country style





Here is a play list of 15 of them (I start towards the end with Sinead)






OK now to entirely over do the subject.

Here is my favorite ever on a Singing Contest show, and maybe my favorite ever (athough I think I'd prefer just Jerry Larson with more subtle backround singers. I almost didn't mention it , but since i've said everything else I think about the song: LOL



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03-21-2013, 10:13 PM
Post: #19
RE: S10
Siobhan's version is nice (but, man, I just can't take her nasal tone any longer). I much prefer the grit and fire of Haley's version. I will say that as Haley has done the song more and more I think her interpretation has definitely evolved into something truly special. When I heard her sing the song live in San Jose it was the only performance of the night that made my scalp tingle and brought tears to my eyes. Later versions she has done have hit me right in the gut--in a really good way.

Tom, I do admire your willingness to express an opinion that would seem to go against the grain. I fully believe honest opinions should be freely expressed in any discussion forum. While I applaud your bravery, I have to add that my view differs. I love that you said it however. Smile
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03-22-2013, 07:27 AM (This post was last modified: 03-22-2013 07:32 AM by Himm2.)
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RE: S10
I'll always be most impressed by this Haley performance of HOTRS:



especially her command of the stage & audience, arm actions to accentuate that drum beat, and pooring her heart & soul into it.

I also really enjoyed the ending of HOTRS she did with Keith at Lollapalooza where they playfully threw it back & forth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...bNk#t=265s
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