"CREEP" - PMJ studio version with HALEY

[InItToWinIt]

Probably a nice payday for Scott. Not sure it benefits Haley outside of the exposure.

I would think Haley is getting a cut. She's helped make Scott a lot of money and vice versa to a lesser extent. Also Haley connections such as Ole or ad agencies could have played a role. Of course, I'm not a ad man so I may be way off base.

[Miguel]

I think it all depends on what kind of agreement Scott has with the performers in his videos. Given he features a different one each week, the simplest thing to do administratively would be to just pay them a flat fee up front in exchange for whatever rights they might have. If he was paying royalties of some sort he would have to keep track of views, etc. For perpetuity. Though I suppose there could be a clause that if a work was used by a third party they would share the compensation.

[InItToWinIt]

I think it all depends on what kind of agreement Scott has with the performers in his videos. Given he features a different one each week, the simplest thing to do administratively would be to just pay them a flat fee up front in exchange for whatever rights they might have. If he was paying royalties of some sort he would have to keep track of views, etc. For perpetuity. Though I suppose there could be a clause that if a work was used by a third party they would share the compensation.

While a flat would be in the best interest of Scott but it would seem quite unfair to the performers, especially to those with singles and album releases. I would think a percentage of revenue (e.g., 10-15% to a main vocalist, 25-30% divided equally among the rest of the crew). That would still leave Scott over 50% to cover costs and his profit. He's got to have an accountant(s) handling his revenues which would have to be broken by each revenue source.

[JMT]

I think it all depends on what kind of agreement Scott has with the performers in his videos. Given he features a different one each week, the simplest thing to do administratively would be to just pay them a flat fee up front in exchange for whatever rights they might have. If he was paying royalties of some sort he would have to keep track of views, etc. For perpetuity. Though I suppose there could be a clause that if a work was used by a third party they would share the compensation.

Good points. It's hard to imagine, however, that a cable network would air an Ad spot using a song from performer who protested the use of her work-- even if the rights solely belonged to another. I doubt they-- Scott, Haley (and Dina)-- even went there. If they had what you outlined, Miguel, and it makes sense that's the kind of agreement Scott draws up, then I'll bet something special was written up for this. It's just awesome how many revenue streams Haley is starting to accumulate!

[john]

I believe Scott wants to maintain good relations with Haley and I would expect him to compensate her in some way.

I would expect that Scott pays flat fees for the videos (and the audio track) to musicians and vocalists. That is how studio musicians get paid and I don't know why he would want to make it more complicated. Many vids get modest amounts of views, especially after they have been out for a while, and having to track and payout would be a hassle he wouldn't want to bother with. For perpetuity.

Haley and a few others may get extra financial considerations but I doubt he pays a lot for the recordings by most vocalists. He gives aspiring singers exposure and if the video is widely popular that means more exposure. That is worth a lot to an aspiring singer.

[Miguel]

He gives aspiring singers exposure and if the video is widely popular that means more exposure. That is worth a lot to an aspiring singer.

Not to mention they might be added to a tour, which will let them see the country/world while earning money from performing.

[Tusk]

Which is more possible now that they can legitimately gain enough talent to fill three troupes to tour at one time... win/win

I also expect Haley to get special consideration, I don't think you can argue that Haley hasn't been a significant reason for PMJ's meteoric rise (and PMJ's help in hers)...

If anything Scott's support of his talents' individual projects with his media savvy has value too

[Haleylvr4evr]

I think it is great that Haley is getting more exposure in commercials, but after seeing the video......I do not like this commercial. Too much violence. And especially with what has happened recently, I think Haley should "stay away" from anything that could potentially be harmful. Maybe I am just being too overprotective

[Tusk]

I think we all feel protective of Haley, but our journey with her has shown that she's tough and can roll with anything negative that comes at her and come back stronger.

"Creep" makes sense for the imagery of the advertisement, and in the end, Haley is in the entertainment 'business'.... that means take the opportunities that come to you, which Haley has been great with, prepared to take advantage of.

In the end, this is extremely minor, and happens in the lives of many young people, it won't define Haley and she will move on.

There are worst things to be in trouble, consider the recent charges leveled against her Damiani fellow singer Landau jr.... he has a much tougher hill to climb.

[john]

Ann Ballard 6 hours ago
Just heard this as part of a Lifetime Movie add.