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04-02-2016, 12:26 PM,
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Rcul4u998
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RE: The Better Era
(04-02-2016, 11:13 AM)buzzenator Wrote: Just doing a little Better Tour math:
The Varsity Theatre in Minneapolis has a maximum capacity of 925. At $20 per head and rounding off to 900 people = $18,000. I have no idea what Haley's net is of that. Suppose it would be 1/3 = $6,000. If she has 18 dates with approximate same size audience at each, then the total net for her would be $108,000 (guesstimate) .
Not bad for her first tour...hoping her net could be higher. 
Historic Note: The Varsity Theatre is located in Dinky Town which is right in the heart of the University of Minnesota, Minneapolis campus. The theatre is on the main street running through Dinky Town, called 4th Street. When Bob Dylan was on campus during his college days he wrote a little song called "Positively 4th Street". Those who like the similarities between Dylan & Reinhart can appreciate Positive Haley playing on 4th Street. What's the similarity you ask? Sometimes it hard to understand the lyrics. 
And it's probably quite a bit more than that, seeing that so many people are purchasing several VIP tickets at once, for several different venues. The Saint Andrews venue in Detroit says its capacity is 1,400, so that it about 500 more than the Varsity Theater. So, many of the theaters may have capacities larger than your 900 estimate. I definitely think many of the shows are likely to sell out by the time June gets here. Additionally, many artists with label ties are able to keep a lot of their tour profits, and I can't imagine that would be any different for Haley, especially since she has no label ties. She definitely stands to make a nice profit from this tour.
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04-02-2016, 12:59 PM,
(This post was last modified: 04-02-2016, 01:17 PM by john.)
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john
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RE: The Better Era
The info online indicates St. Andrews holds about 1000 in the main hall, with 400 capacity in a basement venue. The size of the venues varies quite a bit; from less than 400 to more than 1000. VIP prices vary a lot and most venues are charging $20-25 for general admission. Currently she has scheduled 17 shows over a 23 day period.
If she were to average 500 tickets per show @ $22 each, that is 11,000 per night. For this exercise, I'd guess that about 30% of the comes off the top to venues, booking agents, promoters and such. That would leave $7,700 X 17 = 130,900.
Add to that VIP tickets. I'll make up some numbers for that - average $25 price (above gen adm), with 20 attending, thats an additional $500, if 30 attend that's $750. I'll go with $500 X 17 shows for an additional $8500.
I have know idea how much she can make in merch, especially since this is her 1st time through, but if she made $15 dollars per t-shirt for example she would bring in $750 by selling 50 of them. I'll say after inventory costs she brought in $1000 per night in merch profits, which would be $17,000 for the tour.
My totals for the tour
Gen Adm tickets 130,900
VIP MnG 8500
MMerch 17,000
Total -- 173,400
From that subtract expenses that include paying the band, food, and paying for a tour bus, as well as various management expenses.
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04-03-2016, 06:38 AM,
(This post was last modified: 04-03-2016, 08:10 AM by buzzenator.)
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buzzenator
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RE: The Better Era
(04-02-2016, 12:59 PM)john Wrote: The info online indicates St. Andrews holds about 1000 in the main hall, with 400 capacity in a basement venue. The size of the venues varies quite a bit; from less than 400 to more than 1000. VIP prices vary a lot and most venues are charging $20-25 for general admission. Currently she has scheduled 17 shows over a 23 day period.
If she were to average 500 tickets per show @ $22 each, that is 11,000 per night. For this exercise, I'd guess that about 30% of the comes off the top to venues, booking agents, promoters and such. That would leave $7,700 X 17 = 130,900.
Add to that VIP tickets. I'll make up some numbers for that - average $25 price (above gen adm), with 20 attending, thats an additional $500, if 30 attend that's $750. I'll go with $500 X 17 shows for an additional $8500.
I have know idea how much she can make in merch, especially since this is her 1st time through, but if she made $15 dollars per t-shirt for example she would bring in $750 by selling 50 of them. I'll say after inventory costs she brought in $1000 per night in merch profits, which would be $17,000 for the tour.
My totals for the tour
Gen Adm tickets 130,900
VIP MnG 8500
MMerch 17,000
Total -- 173,400
From that subtract expenses that include paying the band, food, and paying for a tour bus, as well as various management expenses.
Nice math John...will be an interesting conversation with Harry & Patti if we have an opportunity to discuss business at Shindig IV or V (whatever it is up to now) in Chicago at the end of April.
So, maybe $110,000 - $140,000 for a net to Haley on the conservative side. That is a nice paycheck for one month in the USA! Think about the international appeal...world tour. You go girl! 
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finally heard Better here:
http://360musicng.co/haley-reinhart-better-cdq/
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04-03-2016, 12:08 PM,
(This post was last modified: 04-03-2016, 12:10 PM by john.)
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john
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RE: The Better Era
LOL I just noticed my addition is wrong.  Total would be 155,900 in the scenario I described above. Ultimately I think Haley will have a lot of expenses and people to pay, but she can still do well.
Here is one band's tour budget (they are from the bay area and post a lot of YT videos):
https://medium.com/@jackconte/pomplamoos....1ceomsntr
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04-04-2016, 12:49 PM,
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RE: The Better Era
(04-04-2016, 10:46 AM)Miguel Wrote: The Glamberts got hold of that. They also beat a Nick Jonas song on 4/1. Silly way to decide what to play. Most of the voters aren't from the area. And I doubt few of them listen to both songs before clicking to vote.
Um yeah, that's another reason AAA is a "better" way to go than HAC. That way you guys won't have to deal with the herd.
Not that this is gonna help their cause, the DJs and PDs know full well that most of those votes aren't local. They just won't get it, 50+ year old women who are not regular listeners are NOT the target audience for HAC, so what they want is worth jack. And WTTS is a mediocre song, one of Adam's worst, Better is a great song.
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