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Haley's Next Single/Video???? Thoughts?
08-19-2016, 11:46 AM,
#1
Haley's Next Single/Video???? Thoughts?
So…I wanted to discuss Haley's next single/video release--if OK with PWTB here.

I am hopeful that Haley will at least have one more opportunity to release another song from "Better" as her next single. If that is the case, I have been going back and forth on it, but I think I have settled on "Listen".

At first, I loved "Behave", then fell in love with "I Belong To You", and even thought of "My Cake". But in the end, the thumping bass line, catchy chorus and important message regarding global warming of "Listen" won me over. If Haley was with a record label, they would probably be researching the next single with focus groups, program directors, etc, but that is probably not the case here. The song is not a "pop" song, but I could definitely see it on AC or Hot AC charts.

And, I am not dissing the song "Better". I think it made sense to launch the CD with that fun, empowering song and video as it is the title of the CD. Also, the message in the song I thought might catch on, like "Fight Song" or "Roar". And who knows, maybe it still might. But as has been noted here, "Better" is a fun song for Haley to do live, but the repetitive lyrics I think make it one of the weaker songs on the CD. Just my opinion. And I would love to see Haley have another crack at radio airplay with one of the other terrific songs on the CD.

So, wanted to get folks thoughts/opinions……………………….
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08-19-2016, 01:12 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-19-2016, 01:45 PM by john.)
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RE: Haley's Next Single/Video???? Thoughts?
I think Listen is a logical choice for a video. It has a good message along with a strong beat and catchy chorus. I view it as the best candidate to be a successful single (although I'm not sure what a "single" is these days for an indie release).

I often check out what is going on with Haley videos on FB. They come up regularly and one can see new fans coming on board on a daily basis. What gets shared on FB are PMJ videos mostly, mixed in with some CHFIL. But, it is relatively rare to see any of her original songs show up (HOTRS from AI comes up more often it seems).

I think one of the reasons for this pattern is that people tend to share videos on FB, and Haley hasn't done much video-wise with her originals. In terms of commercial success and broader appreciation of her music, she is missing the boat by not using YT and FB more IMO. I think Youtube has been a great source of recognition for Haley -- with her PMJ work where she has more than 70 million views. While perhaps not as valuable on a per view basis she now probably has a couple hundred million views logged on FB uploads (primarily from the CHFIL commercial and direct uploads to FB by PMJ or others using PMJ material). So yeah, they're a good source of publicity.

A lot of people know her as a PMJ singer or love her rendition of CHFIL, and many recall her as having been on American Idol. But to a large extent these listeners have no clue that she has released two albums of original material. While the work of Tusk and others in capturing and posting concert footage is fantastic and much appreciated, those videos do not draw the broad exposure that releasing videos on her own site would bring to Haley. IMO. As PMJ has shown, videos do not have to be fancy and high budget. I think this would be a much more effective strategy to promote her music than those visits to radio stations (although the two aren't mutually exclusive).
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08-19-2016, 01:15 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-19-2016, 01:18 PM by Tom22.)
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RE: Haley's Next Single/Video???? Thoughts?
I think Love is worth fighting for is my favorite song.

>> but more than my favorite, I think it's both distinctive , unique, but also not too far from where some music is at.

Really, lots of of singers from ed sheran to justin bieber are actually singing in ways that you can hear them singing these days and I don't think pop music is too far from what a song that Haley can be Haley with would work in a pop way.

.. just a matter of a song that hit's a nerve with the public.

IMO "Listen" lectures a bit(well just the word at least) ... and I'm thinking "reflective" is a bit better right now.. not to say there can't be a direct call to action though.

Ok enough of my thoughts... on that.. I won't be able to choose the right words




I don't know who this Major Lazer guy is (with a bit of help from Justin Bieber in a feature)

I'm not linking it because it's like "LIWFF" but just sort of a diaglogue continuation of what seems to work right now. ?




This is a lyric only video that Tusk could make ( ; ) ) ! and it has 100million plus views.... Well, that's because it's a pop hit of course.. promotion? or just hit the public(young public) mood? probably a bit of both.
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08-19-2016, 01:36 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-19-2016, 01:58 PM by Tusk.)
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RE: Haley's Next Single/Video???? Thoughts?
She has videos she can post on her Youtube, I've given her over 30 including some I've never released bc she said she wants to use them on her channel, but wants her Digital team to have a look at them.

Having done this for a good 5 years now, I've gotten used to Haley doing what she does when the timing is right. It doesn't feel like she has much interest at all moving forward in promotion w/ Youtube (of FB for that matter). Maybe some day the 'timing' will be right to put emphasis on that part of her marketing, but I think Haley enjoys having control of where she wants to put her efforts, right now, it's networking more opportunities that are coming in from her recent successes, performing, touring, collaborating and if some of what we've read recently, planning on her next album release. Oh and there's also whatever non-singing related opportunities, like F is For Family..... I would not be surprised if she's testing out different media and challenges beyond what she's doing in the music world.

I guess, it's my long way of saying, unless Ole is the prime mover, the chances of another single coming out of #Better is slim IMO. From it's announcement, I have thought, perhaps, that Ole considers #Better's content more useful to them as a resource for placement and promotion. They've done the minimum to push Better to 'single' radio status, have done more, outside of the Wrigley promotion, to push CHFIL, than it has for it's 'lead single', Better.

In truth, Better IS the 2nd single coming from her album, CHFIL is the 1st, even if it was out before #Better became an album instead of an EP

IF one of the songs gets picked up for some major promotion, say, on a movie soundtrack, like Undone...that would probably be the incentive for Ole to perhaps support another single from Better. I doubt they would release a 'new' single, for the sake of releasing a new single. There would need to be an additional reason to put resources towards doing promotion for the single

That all being said, I agree, I think "Listen" is the logical 'next one up' It has a complex arrangement that includes different genres, it has social/environmental relevance, builds up to a crescendo w/ a rhythmic chorus and lyrics that can be used as a rallying cry for a multitude of causes. It is also one of a number of songs that has a 'cinematic' feel to it on #Better, you could easily see used in a movie, even playing at end credits. Cool

(08-19-2016, 01:15 PM)Tom22 Wrote:

This is a lyric only video that Tusk could make ( ; ) ) ! and it has 100million plus views.... Well, that's because it's a pop hit of course.. promotion? or just hit the public(young public) mood? probably a bit of both.

It has that many views most likely because it features Beiber. Haley put out a pretty awesome Lyric video for Better, yet it hasn't even got 9K views yet


I took animation classes over a decade ago and would take a bit of time and money to learn the newer animation software in order to put something out like that, that would be worth it.....even so, there's also the issue of copyright.

In the Lollapalooza, full concert video I recently posted, I added Keith's 'Behind the Scenes' video of Haley and her Band arriving in Chicago and going to the show. The video included songs from Listen Up! interspersed, here and there throughout the video. When I uploaded it to Youtube, I discovered, my entire Lolla video was blocked all over the world.

I looked to see who had blocked the video, it was Interscope...they had blocked the video due to every LU song Keith used in his video. I reprocessed the Lolla video, this time leaving out Keith's BTS video, and it was OK. The songs at Lolla were from LU, but they were performed, as opposed to the studio/LU album audio. The video was still marked for copyright, the difference this time, was Ole claimed copyright on the LU song performances, but allowed the video so they can collect royalties from advertising.

I still really don't understand how/why some songs get nailed for copyright/world blocked or not. There are plenty of videos of Haley's LU tracks from her album on Youtube, yet my entire video got blocked worldwide for adding Keith's BTS video at the end, and he only used seconds of each song Huh
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08-19-2016, 02:18 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-19-2016, 02:48 PM by john.)
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RE: Haley's Next Single/Video???? Thoughts?
Like Haley, Ole' does what it does, and doesn't do what it doesn't do. They are not a record label and placement is their focus. I doubt they are inclined to do what record labels typically do. Why get into a business that to a large extent involves a dying (though not dead) approach?

Haley seems happy with what is going on in her career currently, and has plenty of reason to. She does seem interested in promoting her music and attracting people to her live shows. She has been smarter and more efficient in visiting radio stations than Interscope was when they sent her around for LU. But in bringing forward her original songs, I didn't see much impact. Of course many of the radio people appear to love her, and while that may not translate immediately into spins, it's is a good thing to have those supporters. Yet, even considering the radio play that CHFIL received on quite a few HAC and AC stations, the exposure of a mass audience to her singing after AI has been largely through YT and FB.

Perhaps Haley has been disappointed with the response she has had to the offerings she has put on YT thus far, but it takes a while to build a channel and to hit with the right song. Haley has posted just a few videos on her channel and only has 13,269 subscribers currently. Tusk has well over 18K subscribers. Morgan James posts videos regularly and now has 64,401 subscribers, despite being much less known than Haley, and has numerous homebrew videos with more than 100K views.
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08-19-2016, 02:38 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-19-2016, 02:41 PM by Tusk.)
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RE: Haley's Next Single/Video???? Thoughts?
(08-19-2016, 02:18 PM)john Wrote: Perhaps Haley has been disappointed with the response she has had to the offerings she has put on YT thus far. But it takes a while to build a channel and to hit with the right song. Haley has posted just a few videos on her channel and only has 13,269 subscribers currently. Tusk has well over 18K subscribers. Morgan James posts videos regularly and now has 64,401 subscribers, despite being much less known than Haley, and has a number of videos with more than 100K views.

I started my channel out of necessity, if people recall, I was very much a 'socialmediaphobe'... but since then, I've gained alot of experience from observations of more successful channels.

One thing that is incredibly important for entertainers to gain views and subscribers on Youtube (also applies to social media, Twitter, Instagram, FB) is you have to engage your subscribers/followers, consistently put out content. Give them a reason to return.

I don't think Haley's 'disappointment' is a factor on her low views/subscribers. How can you be disappointed if you put a minimum of effort into something? She has put little to no effort to even promoting her own channel let alone her videos posted on there...heck she has 3? 4? Channels that she has posted to?

IMO if she made her Youtube/FB presence more of a priority, the views, follows and subscribers will certainly come (It's still my opinion that FB's numbers are a false representation of how effective it is beyond exposure. YT is looked upon as a better way to 'cash in' and gauge popularity....that's why despite, FB's dominance in social media, YT still appears to be the platform of choice among 'creators'). That's why I think that part of her marketing is way down on her to do list, feeling her efforts and those of her team are better directed elsewhere.

WHEN that part of her organisation becomes better priority, believe me, the views, followers and subscribers will come Tongue
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08-19-2016, 02:54 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-19-2016, 03:05 PM by john.)
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RE: Haley's Next Single/Video???? Thoughts?
A FB view seems more like a radio spin. I read a comment recently on a share where the person said they were glad that the song had come around again because they like it. Very passive and casual. YT views appear much more likely an intentional action by the viewer to see a song performed as opposed to the random exposure to a video that autoplays on their FB page. Nonetheless, FB does introduce a lot of people to Haley's music and it is apparent that numerous viewers go on to explore more of her work and share with friends.

I agree Tusk -- if Haley put effort into her YT channel she could build a large audience and subscriber base. I don't know that she is disappointed, she may not be. But she might be and I could see that happen very easily. She raised money for SMYM and put it up -- few views. She made the Better video -- modest views. Obviously she is not drawn to use YT like some folks to begin with and the limited response may just feed that disinclination.
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08-19-2016, 03:11 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-19-2016, 05:41 PM by Tusk.)
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RE: Haley's Next Single/Video???? Thoughts?
Right, that's why I don't deny FB's power of exposure, it's the marketing and capitalizing on that exposure is where FB falls short compared to YT. It's a cheap 'view' when all it takes is for you to log onto FB and the video automatically plays whether you wanted it to or not, so has less value, from the creator/marketer's point of view.

It's the 'active' searching and viewing a video that you mention that is part of the 'engaging' that I speak of when I say that it's necessary to grow your fan base and make it count.

I just think this is all a part and parcel of Haley's personality. You can have 100 likes or retweets from Haley on social media but it will never compare to how engaging Haley is when you meet her in person. YouTube and the social media is part of 'work' something she does when she has the time or is motivated....but when she gets on stage, performs, meets and talks to her fans, that's when Haley truly shines. IMO Haley enjoys that much more and is more enthused about it because she, herself, is getting something out of it, a 'Human connection'. You can't get that from ANY social media interaction.

That's very much an 'old school' attitude of a true entertainer that she grew up observing/learning from her folksCool

(08-19-2016, 02:54 PM)john Wrote: She raised money for SMYM and put it up -- few views. She made the Better video -- modest views.

SMYM is a whole different story, she chose to make the money right out front from an agreement with Yahoo so they could get exclusive rights for a day to show the video...there were also other circumstances, a bulk of Haley's fan base, she grew from her Jazz, Blues, Rock performances...throw back, old school songs and performances. SMYM was the exact opposite of that. In Haley's mind, it was for the fans, for fun... the fans who put into the project took it more seriously than she did. When the song/video was revealed, nothing like the 'old school' vibe they grew to love from Haley, there was disappointment, especially from those who donated expecting something completely different from what they got.

We got to talk to Haley back stage after her performance at Hotel Cafe, shortly after SMYM video debuted on Yahoo... she gave us a number of how many views Yahoo got from just that one day they had the video exclusively.... needless to say, in one day, Yahoo got more views than SMYM has since it's debuted on Youtube over 2 years ago.

How much might that have changed the conversation? It certainly would have pushed SMYM up on Youtube, might have caught some internet sources to post about it, perhaps gained some traction, inspired people to use it?

(remember many of the initial articles about SMYM from other outlets, linked to the Yahoo version of the video, not to mention all of us, when we tweeted the video, tweeted the Yahoo post of SMYM, not the Youtube post... so most of the debut exposure went through Yahoo's SMYM video post)

"Too bad you can't transfer the Yahoo view counts onto YouTube....(oh well)"-Haley

Also, even though SMYM was available on iTunes, Haley spent zero effort promoting it, many of us got it via donating to indiegogo, or people got it from the internet....she didn't appear to care if the iTunes for the song sold or not, because, in her mind, the project was 'for fun' and she was paid by Yahoo.

I don't think view counts were even in Haley's mind when she organised all she did w/ SMYM

Just goes to re-enforce my opinion that Haley seems to just not think too much on that aspect of her career, right now.Tongue
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08-21-2016, 10:19 PM,
#9
RE: Haley's Next Single/Video???? Thoughts?
I still need to listen to "Better" in full to make a proper decision, but the first song that popped out to me was "Behave". I really like the sound of it. Smile And...I just listened to it on full on YouTube. Wow. Definitely a sexy song. Some of those lyrics I wouldn't normally expect from her. I was hoping for "Now That You're Here" Part 2 and I think I got it. Blush Could've done without the weird voice deepening filter at the end though...I get that it was used for effect, but it didn't add to the song. Undecided

OT Question. For those like me who still need to buy the album...What songs stuck out the most to the rest of you? I don't want to listen to the album in full until it's in my hands and ready to go in my cd player, but I'll make some exceptions like with "Behave" and listen to a few in full.

Personally I think that (with "Listen Up!") "Now That You're Here" should've been a single. It's an underrated gem. IMO I say that mainly because I loved the lyrics and sound of it. So...Which song on "Better" 1. Sounds the best vocally and/or has the best lyrics. Lyrics don't mean much nowadays, but there are still singers out there (Haley especially) who can write meaningful and even fun songs.
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08-21-2016, 10:42 PM,
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RE: Haley's Next Single/Video???? Thoughts?
You have exactly my taste, Now that You're Here, Walking on Heaven & Wonderland are favorites on LU. I 'thought' I Belong to You and Listen would be my favorites from #Better, but, maybe because Behave is newer (I've heard IBTY & Listen for some time now, before the album came out Blush), it is by far my favorite from #Better.. I just love the groove at the beginning....and I think someone said it before, but the weird, augmented voice at the end, sort of represents someone waking from a dream...

I've edited alot of video of Haley's new songs and I never tire of hearing Behave...In fact it's the one I chose as my favorite for my Haley Bday video for Rachel's Birthday project Smile
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