WM return policy/process?

[Tom22]

I gotta say that I wouldn't feel terribly bad about sticking it to Walmart a little given some of their business tactics and practices.

They play hardball with suppliers and use free-rider techniques of avoiding paying for healthcare , and price things lower in markets where they want to destroy any possible competition.

Its just a matter of what tactics are honest enough ways of beating them at their own game and which ones aren't

I gotta say that the idea grew on me a bit.

Even though I don't particularly like a lot about how Walmart does business I do know they have a better idea of whats happening under the lid of their own shop that most other corporations.

Say a slightly meaningful number of people bought 10 cds on store pickup then returned them. Say 300 people did that. Thats 3000 albums that would be stocked on shelves that wouldn't have been otherwise. If they all sold within a week that still wouldn't be enought to get get the album back on the billboard 200 in anything other than the duldrums of summer.

Now, like I said I'd give walmart credit enough to notice an anomoly of both orders of 10 of the same album and especially returns of 10 of the same album 300 times over.

The gambit is, that if they noticed and said "wtf is this all about" they'd also be on the ball enough to look at the follow through. "Did we lose money or did they sell ?" . If they all sold they're focussed enough on the bottom line to think about stocking more of the album in other stores (although the buyers for that department would have years of experience in what types of inventory they got stuck with.. they're risk adverse too as they don't like to have stale inventory for both shopping environment and profits per item issues.

Still, I think it might be a bit of an assumption on any of our parts that the albums would just be flying off the shelves if they were there now. I've noticed that not everyone is quite as enamored with her music as I am.

And, that gets me back to the numbers.

I really don't think there are hundreds and hundrdeds of people who are going to pay upfront for ten albums then return them for a refund after they come to their store.

I think the real hope would be that the thing was crazy enough to catch the attention of managers rather than actually being of a magnitude that created sizable sales.

[LovinDaHaley]

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[Babbs234]

I think whether Walmart has the cds in stock or not, the fact remains that a lot of people dont go to the store anymore to buy cds. Most 20 year olds and such, just download their music, and a lot get it from sites for free. I know people I work with were laughing at me when i told them i was going to buy a Haley cd for them. They were like, "I can get it online". ( for free)

And I stood there saying we had to support Haley, and purchase the cd not get the music for free. I must say though, I never cared or thought about doing this in the past.

[buzzenator]

I think whether Walmart has the cds in stock or not, the fact remains that a lot of people dont go to the store anymore to buy cds. Most 20 year olds and such, just download their music, and a lot get it from sites for free. I know people I work with were laughing at me when i told them i was going to buy a Haley cd for them. They were like, "I can get it online".

And I stood there saying we had to support Haley, and purchase the cd not get the music for free. I must say though, I never cared or thought about doing this in the past.

Excellent point Babbs, as I mentioned before in another thread, the younger generation does not buy music or movies. My son has hundreds of music cds and movies he has burned for free. He does not have one cd that he has purchased. All my nephews and nieces in their 20s are the same way.

What does this say about Haley's ability to sell her music? Is there any tracking mechanism for Haley's downloads that are not paid for? I doubt it. This factor has to be huge in the music industry. It's why you heard some of the older musicians going psycho about the phenomenon years ago...how they were being ripped off. Technology has reinvented the word 'entertainment' these days. "If it's on online...It's free, because I paid for my internet service (maybe)..." what the younger generation would say.

[midnightblues]

Some timedown the line maybe Hales could pick up some endorsements for beauty products or do some commercials. Any kind of celebrity endorsements would be good, it seems more solid and promising. Do y'all remember the time when Haley was doing an interview and the interviewer asked what kind of cologne she had on? She said it was a(escada?) I don't think I spelled that right. All she has to do is mention the name and that's a celebrity endorsement. Taylor Swift has a couple commercials and so does Carrie Underwood. It could be that Haleys album sales is just enough to keep her head above water. The real money could be advertisements and doing a lot tours. Then the big thing would be going internationally ,having say like a nine months touring Europe looking at a lot of the tweets from overseas the real possibility is there Its a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll.

[buzzenator]

Some timedown the line maybe Hales could pick up some endorsements for beauty products or do some commercials. Any kind of celebrity endorsements would be good, it seems more solid and promising. Do y'all remember the time when Haley was doing an interview and the interviewer asked what kind of cologne she had on? She said it was a(escada?) I don't think I spelled that right. All she has to do is mention the name and that's a celebrity endorsement. Taylor Swift has a couple commercials and so does Carrie Underwood. It could be that Haleys album sales is just enough to keep her head above water. The real money could be advertisements and doing a lot tours. Then the big thing would be going internationally ,having say like a nine months touring Europe looking at a lot of the tweets from overseas the real possibility is there Its a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll.

This may be Haley's future...she's more than a singer! Since we all know the camera loves her, she may be more "celebrity/entertainer" as an overall label. She has so many options because of her "total package" that sets her above just being an AI finalist. We all could live off her music alone, but she will attract others for various other reasons in the long run.

[midnightblues]

Who is gona make it wil,l find out in the long run.