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HaleyFans 2.0
06-01-2013, 06:49 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-05-2013, 10:42 PM by Miguel.)
#1
HaleyFans 2.0
NFM: Split from another thread.



(06-01-2013, 01:53 PM)makefigure8s Wrote: Incidently, the fact that they didn't use a prepackaged set of bio/pictures says 19e is likely not directly involved. ETA: To wit: haleyrcentral, the web site they listed (which hasn't been updated since Nov 2012) is the first that shows up in a google search for haley. <- makes it a reasonable conclusion that someone did a quick surface search while busily assembling the staff page.

I really think it's time to create a proper 'fansite' with a complete gallery to 'everything Haley' related. There are lots of hosts for lots of fansites for celebrities right now, and It'd be awesoem if we made one. I've managed sites like that but I never owned them, so if someone would help me it would be awesome! I think Haley would be surpirsed if she saw something like that Smile And if it appears on top of google search, It'd mean something
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06-05-2013, 10:36 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-05-2013, 10:47 PM by Miguel.)
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RE: HaleyFans 2.0
There are parts of HaleyFans that have been woefully neglected. For instance, the performance section. That’s been on my mind for six months. One reason I haven’t invested the time to update it is the forum software itself needs to be updated. When a past update failed I fell behind in the updates. A couple of months ago I began thinking about upgrading to paid forum software that has more features.

A problem with that – apart from the expense - is the paid software doesn’t support importing data from the forum we’re currently using. I would have to convert the board to another free forum and then import the data from there into it. There’s a good chance data would be lost and configurations messed up in that process. And I would probably need to update the current forum software to initiate the process.

So I’ve dragged my feet.

Marina’s post made me consider another option. The most popular blogging software can be used as a Content Management System (CMS). Themes can be applied to make it look and feel like a website instead of a blog.

There are specialized themes too. Subject to everyone’s approval, I will purchase a music-oriented theme and implement it.

I have a particular theme in mind. Its features:

- The main page is nearly a full-screen slideshow.
- The slides can include videos that can be played and links to galleries that can be viewed.
- There is a gallery section and it’s possible to have galleries for different years/events.
- There is a section for videos. They can be categorized on a limited basis.
- There is a section to list upcoming events.
- There is a section for albums. If you have MP3s of the album’s songs, you can upload them to be played.
- You can link to iTunes or Amazon where the album can be purchased
- There is a section for videos.
- It supports nearly two dozen social media networks. I would most likely link to Haley’s Twitter page, Facebook page, Instagram page, YouTube channel, SoundCloud page and Vine page (if that’s supported).
- It's "responsive." That means it re-sizes itself depending on the device it's being viewed on (smartphone, tablet, monitor, etc). This feature might be a bit buggy on this theme.

Out with the Old and in with the New:

- The new theme/software will not use the same registration system as the forum
- I think I can add Disqus to it. That’s the same comment system used at MJ’s. I believe it allows comments from people using Twitter and Facebook handles, which should lead to increased activity by casual site visitors.
- To implement the new CMS, I will first have to move the forum off the main page of HaleyFans. I’m not sure how to do this at the moment, but I can figure it out (I think). Once I move it, you will need to access it by going to http://www.haleyfans.com/original
- Once the new system is established, I will close the old forum to new activity. I hope to archive it and have it remain viewable.
- It may be possible to create a new forum using the CMS, but I am undecided if this is needed or desirable.

Other considerations:

The hosting of the site. It’s been very buggy lately – “Resource Limit Reached.” If the problem is the amount of traffic HaleyFans gets, it’s likely compounded by forum software that’s not very efficient. If that’s the case, the new CMS might reduce the amount of downtime.

However, I don’t believe the HaleyFans account is exceeding what it’s allocated to use. It’s more likely the server is hosting hundreds of small accounts and one or two sites that push its limits. What I describe is common in the webhosting industry.

The question then is, do we stay or do we go?

If the site is to be moved it probably makes more sense to do that before updating it.

A new host might not necessarily be better. So I am considering a form of hosting called a Virtual Private Server (VPS). As I understand it, this more or less guarantees you a certain amount of resources. This form of hosting is now more affordable than it used to be. I saw an entry-level VPS plan priced at $300 a year today. That’s about double what I’ve been paying. But I don’t know anything about the host’s reliability.

Your thoughts?


ETA: HaleyCentral has been stubbornly stuck near the top forever. I think there are three reasons for that: (1) It was established early (2) It's likely run by operators of other fans sites that know about Search Engine Optimization (3) It has a feed that pulls in tweets, which probably makes it appear that it is updated more frequently than it is.
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06-05-2013, 11:52 PM,
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RE: HaleyFans 2.0
Your judgement has always been impeccable. I support you 100% on any changes.
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06-06-2013, 12:22 AM,
#4
RE: HaleyFans 2.0
Sounds like a pretty big under taking, I appreciate your efforts.

Lovinda once posted something to me that she was using some kind of program to raise HF's place in search engines. Sure enough, it seemed many of the images she posted here would be at the top of image searches for Haley. Even the loopy ones completely unrelated to Haley....

Not sure if I was just more aware, to look for it, or she wasn't kidding and was affecting HF's profile in some way Confused
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06-06-2013, 12:42 AM,
#5
RE: HaleyFans 2.0
It is a good bit of work. Once it's set up, the new software must be filled with content. Making new posts is easy but not as simple or quick as posting on a messageboard.
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06-06-2013, 01:02 AM,
#6
RE: HaleyFans 2.0
Miguel, you do so much already running this great site. All the time and effort it takes to do that is greatly appreciated, not only by all of us, but also by Haley I'm sure! I have no problem if you stick with the current format, I don't want you to have to spend more time plus at a cost increase. Whatever you decide is fine with me.
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06-06-2013, 01:23 AM,
#7
RE: HaleyFans 2.0
If you're tech savvy take a look at digitalocean.com or linode.com VPS solutions. Good: allows shell access; bad: requires shell access (at least for initial setup).
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06-06-2013, 07:45 AM,
#8
RE: HaleyFans 2.0
(06-06-2013, 01:02 AM)yanni5 Wrote: Miguel, you do so much already running this great site. All the time and effort it takes to do that is greatly appreciated, not only by all of us, but also by Haley I'm sure! I have no problem if you stick with the current format, I don't want you to have to spend more time plus at a cost increase. Whatever you decide is fine with me.

Yeah-I'm with that.I'm about as low tech as it gets and I don't even understand most of the terminology involved with all this.But for me this site works fine as it is.

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06-06-2013, 08:39 AM,
#9
RE: HaleyFans 2.0
I agree, I'm cool with this site right now....
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06-06-2013, 08:42 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-06-2013, 09:03 AM by Miguel.)
#10
RE: HaleyFans 2.0
Divide and Conquer

Once I set up the structure of the new site, I can designate people as authors/contributors using the permission system within the CMS. These individuals could then help fill the video/gallery sections with content.

This should be relatively straightforward. URLs can be used to for videos. Setting up a gallery might require downloading pictures to your computer before uploading them to the gallery.

If we pull together, we can add more content to the site more quickly than I could do alone. We'll just need to establish some system to make sure we're not duplicating our efforts.



(06-06-2013, 01:23 AM)makefigure8s Wrote: If you're tech savvy take a look at digitalocean.com or linode.com VPS solutions. Good: allows shell access; bad: requires shell access (at least for initial setup).

I'm not that tech savvy. I've heard the term "shell access" before but that's where my knowledge ends. I'll look into the options you recommended though. Thanks for the suggestions.



(06-06-2013, 08:39 AM)NUG Wrote: I agree, I'm cool with this site right now....

I appreciate the sentiment, but even if things don't change on the surface the underlying software the site uses needs to be updated for functionality/security reasons. I think the new approach will provide a bigger bang for not much more effort.
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