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The Voice Season 8
06-21-2015, 08:50 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-21-2015, 08:51 PM by mercfan3.)
#31
RE: The Voice Season 8
So..on an interesting question of really..how much rights does a cover artist have to the music the re-arrange..

what happens when the original artist uses the cover artists arrangement? Here..Taylor tries as best as she can to emulate Michelle's version, almost exactly. (She can't though, she's just not as good of a singer.) And the arrangement is essentially identical. (Which, I'd imagine there are only so many ways to rock out a T-Swift song.)

Now personally, I don't think Taylor has to say anything. I think it's sweet that Tayor's fans are pointing it out. (Which is how I figured it out.) And I'd think even higher of Taylor if she was to credit Michelle/The Voice here. But, IMO, she doesn't really owe anyone anything.

Still..with re-arrangements becoming so popular, and youtube being what it is..it does ask an interesting question.


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07-16-2015, 10:57 AM,
#32
RE: The Voice Season 8
Sooo... she's from Seattle???

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Quote:kimnicky
#WCW.. ?My one and only sisteeeer! Seattle Girls! Can't wait to go home and go to our favorite spot #CRABPOT ! Love you Tiiiiiina!!! @tina31203

Quote:kimnicky
Girl! I don't have a shot (yet)... I get there August 1... Me and Tina are doing a sister night that night at hard rock .. Come! And on Sunday August 2 I'm singing the national anthem at the hydroplanes/SEAFAIR @jayesweets
....I've been to the Crab Pot.... Seafair is ridiculously corporate now, very over crowded and no parking, just another reason not to go this year....Tongue
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07-16-2015, 01:31 PM,
#33
RE: The Voice Season 8
For the record Tusk, I agree with you that those tweets were unnecessary Tongue Especially given it's still a PMJ recording. If she had just wanted to share Karen's version, she could have worded it better. The comments phrasing was stupid at best and baiting at worst.

That being said, talented for sure..she is seriously not nearly the most interesting artist that appeared on The Voice Season 8.

When you have 15 year olds like Mia Z, Sawyer Fredericks, Koryn Hawthonre and Brooke Adee you aren't the story of the season no matter how good you are, not when there are children who are THAT talented.
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07-16-2015, 02:10 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-16-2015, 02:39 PM by Tusk.)
#34
RE: The Voice Season 8
Part of me understands, she sees herself as a strong African American woman who wants to rawk, and generally, those who see themselves as rockers, there's a certain FU attitude that you might think you need to show, sort of an edgy gloss over your rawker persona... so maybe that's what she's going for with the assorted comments and posts that she's made since I've become aware of her.

That being said, I've been w/ Haley through 3+ years, seen how hard it is in this industry, even for someone as Uber talented and generally such a sweet personality as Haley, to see people, such as this one, get THE opportunity to fulfill a long time dream, do what you know you were put on this Earth, to do, to be so flippant and c/rudely nonchalant about how she responds to the small number of fans she does have, be disrespectful to others whether big names, or small timers, in her industry, not understand or respect other artist's work....

It just boggles the mind how she could have reached her age in this industry and be so oblivious, without one shred of humility for others who may or may not have 'struggled' to finally 'make it' as she might think she has.

SHE is too big of an obstacle, her personality (what I've seen/heard as a non Voice fan), her media presence and obstinate disregard to at the very least have respect for the industry and the people who work just as hard as she might think she does, for me to even begin to listen and decide whether she does have talent or not.

I very much agree w/ you that as fans of Haley's it's disheartening to see others of Haley's fans go at associates of Haley's for what they may consider a sleight, that it reflects badly on Haley in the long run. I myself, usually do not involve myself in such activity. But I think creative people who have worked hard on their labor of love should have at least the right to credit when others use it.

Baiting was my thought of what those Tweets were, You're right, if the point was to hightlight Karen's work, was it really necessary to preface it w/ all the other stuff? An off hand reference to Haley and the 'original PMJ' (showing she is, again talking about something she doesn't know...the 'original' PMJ? As opposed to this current one? Huh)

Quote:but I was just made aware of the original members of PMJ and who presented and originated that style of the song ..

It shows, IMO, she clearly still holds a grudge about it, that she's annoyed one of her breakout performances will always have the PMJ taint, she decides to throw shade wrapped around a compliment to Karen.

That's the way I saw that series of tweets, clearly an FU to PMJ's issue w/ her/The Voice not giving them credit, and the "1 singer" a dismissive FU specifically to Haley (and her fans).

Yes, we as a fanbase, our actions, could hurt the person we are fans of, But so much more damaging when the 'Talent', herself, is the one doing the damaging...Tongue
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07-16-2015, 03:20 PM,
#35
RE: The Voice Season 8
She probably feels that some things she earned didn't go her way for one reason or another. Like I said, she IS extremely talented, but she wasn't close to being the story of the season. She was one of the two shock boots, but even then..people were more upset and more supportive of Mia when Mia was eliminated. It probably bothered her that someone like Sawyer..who is immensely talented but very green would be so much more appreciated than she was. And this is likely a microcosm of her whole career considering she was one of the older contestants on the show.

Haley's mentality is much better, obviously. Much healthier. Haley was beaten by kids (although neither Scotty or Lauren - and I love them both - could touch Sawyer's talent). Haley was dropped by interscope. Haley was treated poorly by the platform that showcased her (instead of the contestants of The Voice experience. I mean, so what she didn't win..she got private vocal and performance lessons from Christina Aguilera..that's a little bit different than being bullied by Randy Jackson and bussed by Nigel). But not everyone can remain as resilient and positive as Haley.

Now, I still say the most interesting thing about this whole situation was that Christina Aguilera is not only aware of, but impressed with Haley. She's Christina Aguilera. She's the voice of my generation. When Christina wants her artist to do something or sing something a certain way...she shows them herself..except this time she showed them Haley.

And I know there is the talk about whether credit should be given to PMJ by Christina, but forget that for a second.

Over on The Voice section of IDF, we always joked that Christina was a closet Halien because of how often she'd pick songs Haley covered for her favorite artists. For the most part, I chalked it up to Haley and Christina having the same musical influences. Heck, Haley's "Listen Up" sounds like a sequel to Christina's "Back to Basics"..and Haley's new music definitely sounds "Stripped.." But Haley's never cited Christina as an influence to my knowledge..so I think it's just they have similar taste.

But why it's interesting, is because I think there is a solid chance The Voice asks Haley to do the show. They recruit off of youtube, and the show is clearly aware of her..and even more so..she's like the dream Christina contestant.

I don't know whether she should do it. On the one hand, it's exposure..and people who were further along in their career than Haley have gone in the show, and it would mean that Christina Aguilera wants to work with her..which might be an opportunity that is tough to give up..on the other side it's tough for a career to do multiple talent shows and there's that whole..if she wins she's stuck on Republic Records.

But it's still interesting to ponder. Christina will be back Season 10, so it'll be interesting to hear if Haley's asked.
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07-16-2015, 04:08 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-16-2015, 05:15 PM by Tusk.)
#36
RE: The Voice Season 8
I would think, even if asked, she would not want to be a 2 time loser, a second time a reality show that doesn't support their talent after the season's over.

With all the progress and forward momentum Haley finally has going for herself, appearing on the Voice as a contestant can't be seen as anything but as a step backwards :P

Now if we want to talk about Haley appearing as a mentor with Cristina? I'd be all for that :D

Re, Cristina's influence? If you ever got to hear Haley's "Let Yourself Be Beautiful"? IMO there's alot of Cristina influence in that composition and performance :)

Found it, give it a listen :)
http://illcr3ation.tumblr.com/post/37655...hart-cause
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07-16-2015, 06:50 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-16-2015, 10:29 PM by mercfan3.)
#37
RE: The Voice Season 8
That's my immediate thought as well. But I still think it'll be fun if she's asked. Tongue

I love all of Haley's hidden gems. Tongue To be honest, "Love Is Worth Fighting For" sounds very much like a Christina song too. (Old school "Stripped")

And as I said.."Back to Basics" and "Listen Up"..very similar sound. (old school ear candy essentially)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ScjucUV8v0

On a sidenote, Haley's "Follow My Heart" I always thought would be perfect for a disney movie.
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07-17-2015, 04:56 AM,
#38
RE: The Voice Season 8
(07-16-2015, 04:08 PM)Tusk Wrote: I would think, even if asked, she would not want to be a 2 time loser, a second time a reality show that doesn't support their talent after the season's over.

With all the progress and forward momentum Haley finally has going for herself, appearing on the Voice as a contestant can't be seen as anything but as a step backwards Tongue

Now if we want to talk about Haley appearing as a mentor with Cristina? I'd be all for that Big Grin

Re, Cristina's influence? If you ever got to hear Haley's "Let Yourself Be Beautiful"? IMO there's alot of Cristina influence in that composition and performance Smile

Found it, give it a listen Smile
http://illcr3ation.tumblr.com/post/37655...hart-cause

I don't think I have ever heard this Haley tune. This is why I love her voice. She should roll this one out now and then at a small venue.
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07-20-2015, 11:42 AM,
#39
RE: The Voice Season 8
In The Voice-related news, Blake Shelton and Miranda Lambert are getting divorced. I was surprised to learn they were married four years ago in Boerne, TX., a town just outside San Antonio with a population of 10,471 in 2010 (and that's after a decade of rapid growth).
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07-20-2015, 12:30 PM,
#40
RE: The Voice Season 8
Wow..well, where there is smoke there is fire, usually. They were quite the power couple.
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