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Haley In 2022!
03-02-2022, 08:16 PM,
#21
RE: Haley In 2022!
Ok can we call her MIA now? It's March 2nd!

The lack of Haliens talking Haley on Twitter is really saddening. 

I know a lot of them were younger when they got into Haley and they've "moved on to other things" but it seems Haley's only reach is through YouTube and her PMJ covers.

Now if she consistently posted on YouTube even a cover or simple video doing a Q&A or something...

I'm still a hardcore Halien, but I'm wondering if somethings wrong. 

We know the EP's been pushed back but the silence on Twitter and sometimes Instagram is frustrating.

Especially when she could've been promoting her newest single and music video on her official site and elsewhere!

I'm ever the pessimist when it comes to following singers from American Idol who've gone indie.

Heck. I'm ever the pessimist following folks from AI at all.

I've seen too many singers throw their careers away/end their musical journeys without so much as a peep from the fans.

Like... I must be alone in thinking this way. Or I'm thinking too hard?

Sigh. I believe her when she says new music and stuff is soon. Just got to keep waiting patiently!
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03-07-2022, 03:56 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-07-2022, 03:57 PM by Tusk.)
#22
RE: Haley In 2022!
I went to see Morgan near my home town this weekend.  She's been touring for a few months now.  During that time, she got Covid, had to cancel several shows, and in Everett, Fed Ex didn't deliver her merch in time for either shows she had in the NW (They were closed for her Portland show on Sunday, so she couldn't even drive to pick up her merch to sell at her shows.). She's in CA today, That's two shows she lost out on selling her tour Merch....  She felt so bad that she took all the VIPs addresses to send them the posters they were supposed to get, so more money going out.

Is it really hard to understand that someone who was days away from touring, had to cancel both tours including one to Europe, not to mention merch commitments and storage that she probably had to compensate for, is waiting until things normalize more before she makes any commitments?

As far as putting any music out.  Maybe she wanted to use the tour to promote the EP, including all the merch related to it?  Maybe she's holding off on releasing the EP until she can tour to support it?  She had the 'Roll the Dice' hoodie to be bought, so it's reasonable to think she had other "Off the Ground" merch in the wings to sell on the tour?

Sometimes there's nothing you can do due to circumstances, and this pandemic (and war) has us in a very unpredictable time, a time an independent artist has to be mindful of the financial risks she has to consider?

I'm fairly certain she feels worse about this than her fans do.
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03-07-2022, 04:28 PM,
#23
RE: Haley In 2022!
(03-07-2022, 03:56 PM)Tusk Wrote: I went to see Morgan near my home town this weekend.  She's been touring for a few months now.  During that time, she got Covid, had to cancel several shows, and in Everett, Fed Ex didn't deliver her merch in time for either shows she had in the NW (They were closed for her Portland show on Sunday, so she couldn't even drive to pick up her merch to sell at her shows.). She's in CA today, That's two shows she lost out on selling her tour Merch....  She felt so bad that she took all the VIPs addresses to send them the posters they were supposed to get, so more money going out.

Is it really hard to understand that someone who was days away from touring, had to cancel both tours including one to Europe, not to mention merch commitments and storage that she probably had to compensate for, is waiting until things normalize more before she makes any commitments?

As far as putting any music out.  Maybe she wanted to use the tour to promote the EP, including all the merch related to it?  Maybe she's holding off on releasing the EP until she can tour to support it?  She had the 'Roll the Dice' hoodie to be bought, so it's reasonable to think she had other "Off the Ground" merch in the wings to sell on the tour?

Sometimes there's nothing you can do due to circumstances, and this pandemic (and war) has us in a very unpredictable time, a time an independent artist has to be mindful of the financial risks she has to consider?

I'm fairly certain she feels worse about this than her fans do.

Look. I'm fine with her taking a break from touring. You're right in that the pandemic and now a war has people on edge and wanting to just be on alert for awhile.

What I'm trying to say (I've given up on making sense here. lol) is that she can do stuff like update her official site in the meantime. Write blogs, tweet nonsense/interact with fans online, IDK. SOMETHING.

If money is a problem she can update that VIP section of her site or start a Patreon fan club.

I'd gladly pay her $5 a month or even a tad more for a year or more just to get some insider music/Halien knowledge.

I'm not trying to be a jerk. I'm just really missing her online is all.

I know you and other fans are just as sad that she's been inactive online.

Now I know she still posts Instagram posts and stories, but...

You can still be ONLINE and not be promoting new music, an EP, or a tour?

I know she feels she has to be all on her own but there's only so much fans can do and when some fans aren't even messaging her on Twitter anymore...

I don't know. I'm ever patient, and while I've already been to an Idol alumni concert in December, and am looking forward to a concert from my fave band in July...

I know not all artists feel comfortable promoting themselves all the time. So it's ok.

Maybe I feel like I could do more to help? Besides making tweets and replies asking where my faves are....

I'm out of ideas personally. But gotta press on!
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03-07-2022, 05:48 PM,
#24
RE: Haley In 2022!
Alright you make a lot of sense. I guess I'm just wishing that if one thing could change for Haley it's her online social media presence and her official website.

I'm done arguing my side of the coin. Because my ideas don't matter anyway. lol

Heck. I'd even pay for a StageIt at this point. Though I know it's not a popular form of performing anymore...

She does work her ass off don't get me wrong. I just think that while shiz hits the fan in the real world tweaks can be made to her official site to make it an enjoyable experience for fans and Haley.

Ok. Here's another idea. YouTube premium options/fan club options. Some entertainers with major online presences charge fans for memberships. Haley could make $$ on fanclubs on YouTube and Patreon in the meantime.

Just a thought!  

I'm glad you're at least talking/chatting with me on here. I get no signs while trying to chat with fans on blogs, and on Twitter. No one pays attention to what I have to say so I appreciate you talking with me even if we have differences in ideas and promo and stuff. Thanks!

I'm just going to throw ideas and whatnot in this thread when they come. I don't want to make this thread negative in any way. That wasn't my point though my frustrations might've come across that way!
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03-07-2022, 07:26 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-07-2022, 08:15 PM by Tusk.)
#25
RE: Haley In 2022!
I deleted my previous post as I might've vented more than I wanted to.

I get the frustration, trust me.  I'm doing what I can to post Haley media for fans to consume, weekly.  Yes, I'm not Haley, nor do I consider my videos that professional, I've never claimed they are.  But understand, one reason my channel even exists is because we've gone through long stretches w/o Haley being public about anything.  The channel has subscribers because there was no where else you could get consistent Haley content because there wasn't activity to be had.

You've heard me always thankful that Casey is Haley's friend because I credit Casey for keeping us up to date about Haley when she was MIA through his social media.  The 2014 Room 5 performances I've been posting are from Casey bringing Haley out slowly to start performing, timing is everything because that led to Haley joining PMJ w/ Casey months later.

We've had multiple long stretches w/ Haley not active on social media before, and like I said, she was one of the last from S10 to get on social media.  She's had more time being inactive than active on social media since Idol.

In ten years of following Haley, one should know she is a creature of passion, an empath, a creature of 'vibes' of 'looking for the signs'... when you're out of sorts, those signs aren't as clear.  Maybe that's the problem, maybe not, but you can't expect an artist to produce when they're not inspired to do so.

Many OG Haliens have heard my story before.  By no means am I near as talented or have as high a potential as Haley, but I consider myself a creative, most of my life until I decided to convert my creativity into a career.  Once I graduated, I found that I found no inspiration in creating or being creative anymore, my life suddenly lost that joy....for almost 20 years until I happened upon Haley, then the floodgates opened.  I had found my inspiration, my 'Muse'.

That's how creativity and creatives work.  It's not a switch you can turn on and off (sure, there are some who are able to do that, but not most).  All I know is Haley's had a lot of things that have impacted her, at least 5 close relatives have passed, One of our own, Penny, was a close family friend, she lost a child hood friend early during the pandemic (the drummer from the movie "School of Rock") and her drummer from the Troubadour/Ribfest died shortly after getting married just recently...that's a lot for an empath to process, probably enough to knock her off her center.  

If you've followed her Instagram stories, you see she's posts a lot of self affirmations, alot of holistic things about nature and speaking things into existence, and deserving what you've worked hard on.  This tells me she's trying to find her center.

People who haven't been on the ride for the last ten years forget about the 'dark times' when all we had was to entertain ourselves until Haley posts something.  Sure this stretch has been longer than those, but she's promised more music, so let's take her word for it until she finds her center then she can be 100% when she tours.

About fewer people posting on Twitter.  Yes, the pandemic and inactivity is a major reason, but also understand, Idol was 11 years ago, many of her fans who were on Twitter were young and Twitter was a new platform.  Since then, many of those younger fans who rabidly posted on Twitter have grown up, got married, are raising families, graduated and are moving on to their careers.  They don't have the time they used to, to post endlessly on Twitter.
One of Haley's biggest fans, Avelene, was 14(?) during Season 10 and was a big time poster on Twitter for years.  She has since graduated and become a nurse, recently privating her social media accounts and has stopped tweeting.  Life goes on.

I'd say that's as much a reason for less twitter traffic than being less active on social media.  Haley has still a reputation and a lot of fans who love her, more discovering her daily.  A reason I started my channel was also for new fans to see more of her performances.  In that, my channel is still bringing in new fans, so it's not like it'll all go away.  

When Haley is ready, we will again enjoy all she has to offer, but until then, give her space, enjoy what she already put out, and interact w/ her when she gives you the opportunity....

Finally, when I was growing up, there was no internet, you were lucky if your music magazine had any blurb on your favorite band, and your band showing up on late night tv after Saturday Night Live might be the highlight of your fandom for the year.

We are incredibly spoiled rotten that we now have means to literally have a conversation w/ our favorite artist on any given day.  Sometime a reminder is needed how lucky we are.

Give her space, give her time to heal, give her time to find herself, then she will be able to give her 100%.
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03-07-2022, 07:44 PM,
#26
RE: Haley In 2022!
Very well said!

You're right and I remember those times albeit I was going through mental health changes from 2013-2016. 2014 my highlights of the year (Aside leaving the hospital after a nearly 5 month stay.) were these moments...

1. Haley's Show Me Your Moves campaign and merch that followed. I still have my signed photo and handwritten lyrics!

2. Kris Allen's winter concert. Where I had a surprise VIP and met him briefly.

3. My overall change in personality/health and whatnot.

So yeah. I have totally blanked out the dark social media times. For the most part. lol

I hear you though. I almost want to make a Halien Discord server and see if fans new and old log in to chat Haley! *smile*

HMM. That is an idea!

OH and I am no means a creative but I take photography and to a lesser extent blogging as a nice hobby.

I have thought of creating a podcast about AI/my pop culture interests...

Some Kelly Clarkson fans created the Miss. Indepodcast and I follow it. Though my time has been too busy to listen to it yet. It's up my alley anyway.

I appreciate your videos and your creativity. When I'm needing new music to add to playlists on YouTube I love live videos albeit I'm usually the last to watch said videos because I procrastinate and have a watch later with umm... Videos from 2018-the present that I really need to catch up on. lol

Anyway. We'll all get through these quiet times. Until then I have a ton of your videos to catch up on so maybe I should put my time more wisely into enjoying live concert videos again!
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03-13-2022, 05:41 PM,
#27
RE: Haley In 2022!
Haley was just on Joe Piscoppo's radio show for a short section, she said the EP will come out this summer.
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03-14-2022, 09:00 AM,
#28
RE: Haley In 2022!
(03-13-2022, 05:41 PM)Tusk Wrote: Haley was just on Joe Piscoppo's radio show for a short section, she said the EP will come out this summer.

Haley section starts at approximately 75 min 
https://wabcradio.com/episode/sundays-wi...3-13-2022/
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03-14-2022, 05:47 PM,
#29
RE: Haley In 2022!
Awesome! I'll take a look/listen!
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03-17-2022, 12:41 AM,
#30
RE: Haley In 2022!
Shown on AI March 13th - clip of her with fam after getting her ticket.
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