(11-08-2012, 10:07 PM)Tusk Wrote:

(11-08-2012, 10:00 PM)Haleylvr4evr Wrote: I don't see why everyone loves the rap group so much. All they do is scream and have no talent at all. Maybe its just since I hate rappers but still, I don't get it.

Different strokes....

I don't like all rap, but I do like some rap. Lyric 145 is more than the rap, Lyric Da Queen herself has charisma and her rap skills are above average.
I don't normally listen to rap, but I can listen to her.

I'm with you Tusk

Personally I'll add that I find raps technique and the rhythms quite interesting. There is a lot of artistry to the poetry of it all that is really...yeah I'll say it.. almost like the soothing nature and abilty to emphasize juxtapositions in thought that you get in Shakespeare.

The Iambic parameter is something I really got used to . Very frequently in addition to the rhythm within the lines, series of lines flowed with their own patterns and climaxes ... I suppose that is like any poem but ...well I guess Shakespeare is about live conversation so much and Rap is more like that.. .. actions? soliloquies ? ... its a different approach to chorus refrain etc .

What I haven't liked ever about rap is the smut, racism, anti-social sort of anger etc that fit the genre.

Most songs anywhere are about love and kind of vapid.. so few songs are about achievement or plans, or alternatives ... although you can interpret many love songs as being about ambitions and goals and triumphs often if you look at it that way.

Anyway.. I don't want a rated G rap ... I want to hear complicated thoughts of lifes difficulties and weird barriers life throws you taken on with a bit more optimistic ambition....struggles you 'll over come.. types of stupidity that you're above.. ugly minefields avoided (tell the bad story without hate)

Ok enough poetry for me tonight

Hey Tom, are you a musician, or a teacher or maybe a "closet rapper"? You seem to know a lot about rap rhthym and such. Just wondering. That rap you made up a while back was hilarious.

(11-08-2012, 09:54 PM)Tusk Wrote: The Voice apparently played at the same time (tried it, hated the format) so there's a big chance the younger demographic was watching that instead of X Factor.

Which would make sense that some of the more 'current' acts, especially Lyric 145, suffered from their fans watching the Voice instead. Tate and Vino placing so high ahead of more current acts just doesn't make sense otherwise....

I think that's likely what happened....

I've been watching both. (I never watch anything at all live.. I bought a Tivo the first year they came out 12 years now .. and have watched virtually no live tv sense then.. i'll sometimes time things so I start late and finish the same time it does after skipping stupid stuff.)


I love the voice ... the format took a little getting accustomed to.. but remember that was just to get them down to 12..

I don't think there is a clean way to get down to 12... idols has been having those drastic first show cuts the last 3 years..

If you think of the earlier rounds more like hollywood week or something.. well .. just saying that its going to be a bit arbitrary.


What I really really like is that so much larger percentage of the show is about singing ... so much less about peoples backgrounds or small talk that is not on point about the song or performing.

I find myself never using the fast forward button... its taken me very nearly 2 hours to watch each the voice... I always replay parts of shows I like or am unsure if I heard right.. so that double part made up for commercials. I can watch most 2 hr idols shows in 40 minutes. As soon as judge starts gushing in the same way they always do and never have followed praise with specifics, i fast forward

mediocre peformance of a ballad where they're floundering or doing a karioke.. fast forward.

I've been doing a fair bit of fast forward with the Xfactor....I will say I 've overdone it and needed to go back to what I missed.

The judges just don't add much on the Xfactor.

it took me about 4 episodes to know how to read between the lines with the voice judges... they'll do that praise all contestants things a bit.. but always do bring a little more... in saying what they "hope" to see more of and reflecting on a performance in relation to how certains singers bring things to a specific song the mention that gives a clue to what wasn't there.

I love love love hearing the judges actually sing and show the contestants how things can be done in the mentoring snippets..

Hearing how well these 4 know music and can sing in giving directions on a phrase makes me admire them and wonder...

... don't I want singers who can really sing better than the contestants actually doing the judging? (Steven tyler could have.. he needed more experience and thoughts in how to give judging remarks though)

(11-09-2012, 08:37 PM)Babbs234 Wrote: Hey Tom, are you a musician, or a teacher or maybe a "closet rapper"? You seem to know a lot about rap rhthym and such. Just wondering. That rap you made up a while back was hilarious.

I'm not a musician. My thoughts are probably expressed with far too much certainty than my actual knowledge justifies.

Listening to idol the last few years get me asking more and more each year "what are the exact elements that differentiate between performers of the same song" . I'm not very disciplined to make the best effort at it though.

I wrote a whole lot of personal background but .. like always it got long so, gonna spare you from it. -- cut !lol

The latest Reality Check . This is kind of a test. I'm still struggling viewing YouTube listings on this site. Therefore, can I send them?

MAE, if you click on the video to view it on YT, the transfer from there is straightforward.

(11-12-2012, 02:08 PM)john Wrote: MAE, if you click on the video to view it on YT, the transfer from there is straightforward.

Thanks, John. Does this mean that the rest of you saw my posting as a YouTube listing (except me)?

^^ Not sure what you mean. I went to the TV|Line page (from the address you pasted in), saw the video had the YT icon at the bottom and clicked on it to open it in a YT window.

As far as the content goes it looks like X-Factor is a mess. I think this particular bubble is about to burst.

(11-13-2012, 12:19 AM)john Wrote: ^^ Not sure what you mean. I went to the TV|Line page (from the address you pasted in), saw the video had the YT icon at the bottom and clicked on it to open it in a YT window.

As far as the content goes it looks like X-Factor is a mess. I think this particular bubble is about to burst.

Hi John, because I fried my old laptop (which had been dying a slow death anyway) a little over a month ago, I now have a new laptop. A major change because of the security [firewall] program that is a "feature" of my new laptop, I can rarely view YouTube listings here. That's why I wasn't sure if I posted something as a Youtube view that you would see it that way. (Hence, the test.) Apparently, you didn't.

I want to comply a list of problems before I contact the Geek Squad.

After last night I decided I can't watch this show anymore as it's turned into such a mess, I'd rather just follow it on YouTube and the blogs.