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RE: Haley joining PMJ for part of European tour - Tusk - 02-23-2015
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Quote: morgan james retweeted
Jack Fluck Photo @JackFluck 55m55 minutes ago
@morganajames in #concert with @scottbradlee and @PMJofficial | #pmjtour in @salacaracol Madrid. Photo by @JackFluck
RE: Haley joining PMJ for part of European tour - My Alter Ego - 02-23-2015
(02-23-2015, 03:39 PM)john Wrote:(02-23-2015, 03:07 PM)Tusk Wrote: I expect there's a good chance PMJ will get a call out from the Voice, maybe on their next episode
These are the "top comments" on the video posted by The Voice UK:
Quote:ScottBradleeLovesYa1 day ago
...well, this is awkward...
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Beixy Neu2 hours ago
No kidding!
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Kat G1 hour ago
Don't sue him!!!! He's great!
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Tristan Shen2 days ago
Great and fun performance but honestly it's not orginal. He's just completely copying the Postmodern Jukebox's vintage version even without any melody changed.
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Tristan Shen21 hours ago
+Amber McKinney I'm not being critical but only state the truth. PMJ has actually released thier version officially so what Mitch did is just choosing to do another version of Fancy which suits his singing style. But the performace absoulutely misled the coach to think it's his arrangment. That's the issue I'm talking about.
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Char Bop8 hours ago
+Amber McKinney it's actually note for note a cover of the postmodern jukebox version. they deserve a mention at the very least! https://www.facebook.com/postmodernjukebox/posts/829942183719345 for reference
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BBC The Voice UK shared this 2 days ago
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Cue Zephyr2 hours ago
Of course hardly anybody pays royalties for covers that they do, but come on - credit could be given to the arranger for something as refreshing and original as this? I'm sure that's all Scott wants from this. It's not even about the money, it's about the recognition which he and PMJ deserve. Wouldn't you support them?
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Stealthwhiskey1 hour ago
Lets settle this the easiest way possible. After all this is not about the money. IF this Mitch guy makes it to the live shows then PMJ should be invited to perform live on the Voice UK
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periurban2 days ago
I loved this! I have no idea what the tiny trousers are all about, but that aside I thought Mitch showed some real character, with a wonderful and original (?) arrangement. His diction and delivery were spot on, and his sassy and confident stage presence was palpable. He already looks like well rehearsed and professional star material. True, his voice was very nasal (often used as a means of controlling pitch) but the rest of his technical ability, including the falsetto moment, showed he has a good range of abilities that manage to transcend what to other singers would be a fatal flaw. He will be interesting to watch in the battles, and he might just blow the competition off the stage!
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strnglhld1 day ago
He stole this song. He didn't create it. He copied it EXACTLY. Original artist was "Postmodern Jukebox"... No credit given..?
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periurban1 day ago
+strnglhld That's why I put a question mark after saying it was an original arrangement. I suspected he might have lifted it from somewhere. Nevertheless, he did it justice.
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Pete Lewis1 day ago
Absolutely fucking appalling of the cunts at the BBC plagiarising the work of others without permission or giving credit. This along with the whole 'having sex with kids' thing are both shining examples of why the BBC should no longer be allowed to exist.
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Chay Lockyer10 hours ago
Yep, because those 2 things are of equal vileness...
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James Michael1 hour ago
Don't blame BBC, it was Mitch who stole this work...
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Creme Egg2 days ago
Anyone else think this arrangement is almost an exact copy of the "Postmodern Jukebox" cover?
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Jordan Hilton1 day ago
almost? there is no difference!
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Edgarr Du16 hours ago
It is actually, PMJ has a post on facebook about it ,sad that they didn't give credit ??
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Dean Watts1 day ago
He should be disqualified for making out the arrangement was his own and not crediting PMJ or asking permission to use it. Total looser!
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GiladPellaeon1 day ago
+Sera Almeida Well, it is possible that PMJ owns the rights to that particular arrangement, depending on what kind of deal PMJ had with the original copyright holder of the song.
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Sera Almeida1 hour ago
+sugar0o Yeah Scott actually tweeted or posted something on Facebook about having certain rights. Most of the time artists like PMJ don't have copyrights, but apparently they do, which is very smart.
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Mitch Miller8 hours ago (edited)
Thank you ALL for your supportIm a HUGE Postmodern Jukebox fan! & Iggy Azalea SO happy I could perform this song
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BOBBY LEROUX27 minutes ago
Or not??
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qeUnJ5JOmk
One way or another, Scott's getting some publicity out of it.
I'm interested to see how this issue gets resolved. Over the weekend as I was pondering what might have happened (i.e. that the contestant simply didn't say anything; that he did but The Voice announcers didn't mention it; that they did announce it but it was cut, the most plausible possibilities to me), I've been wondering how they'll address it. It's interesting to me that we've heard no real mea culpa from either the contestant or The Voice brand.
No wonder Scott is disappointed. He, however, has been handling the "delicate situation" with aplomb. He should get decent publicity from it! Good grief.
RE: Haley joining PMJ for part of European tour - Tusk - 02-23-2015
There was a 'mea culpa' from the performer in John's link
http://tellymix.co.uk/reality-tv/the-voice/213476-the-voice-uk-accused-of-stealing-iggy-azalea-fancy-cover.html
Quote:“I was just honoured to be able to sing such a great version! I tell EVERYONE how much of a fan I am! and will keep on doing so!”
Mitch later added: “THANK YOU! and Massive Thank you to Postmodern Jukebox for creating an incredible version of ‘Fancy’ I’m a HUGE fan and it was an incredible experience to perform it on The Voice!
“Ive been sharing your covers for So long and now performing one on TV is just incredible! I’m hoping it makes more people aware of how incredible you guys are!!! hopefully see you soon!!! x”
RE: Haley joining PMJ for part of European tour - My Alter Ego - 02-23-2015
(02-23-2015, 07:37 PM)Tusk Wrote: There was a 'mea culpa' from the performer in John's link
http://tellymix.co.uk/reality-tv/the-voice/213476-the-voice-uk-accused-of-stealing-iggy-azalea-fancy-cover.html
Quote:“I was just honoured to be able to sing such a great version! I tell EVERYONE how much of a fan I am! and will keep on doing so!”
Mitch later added: “THANK YOU! and Massive Thank you to Postmodern Jukebox for creating an incredible version of ‘Fancy’ I’m a HUGE fan and it was an incredible experience to perform it on The Voice!
“Ive been sharing your covers for So long and now performing one on TV is just incredible! I’m hoping it makes more people aware of how incredible you guys are!!! hopefully see you soon!!! x”
Perhaps that's a mea culpa to you, but not to me. He has neither admitted that he, whether inadvertently or not (although given the way he's reacted, it doesn't seem inadvertent to me) plagiarized, nor has he actually apologized. What he's done is try to dance around the issue. While I understand why he may be taking that approach (trying to "spin" this "oops" into something acceptable), the only thing he's displayed is his total lack of character.
Personally, I found his voice to be completely annoying. Did any of the coaches? (they're not judges on the Voice, are they?) ever hit a button? The woman "coach" who was so excited about his performance, consistently said "I like it." Not him, but it -- she was reacting to the arrangement.
This guy has put the BBC version of The Voice in an awkward position. Is it likely that he will proceed?
RE: Haley joining PMJ for part of European tour - john - 02-23-2015
(02-23-2015, 07:56 PM)My Alter Ego Wrote: This guy has put the BBC version of The Voice in an awkward position. Is it likely that he will proceed?
He did get a chair turn by Rita at the end according to YT comments. I don't expect anything from The Voice.
Here's his most recent comment on his video on YT (where comments have a clear negative tilt).
Quote:itchmiller2 hours ago
Thank You +ScottBradleeLovesYa I know we have spoke! but just so everyone knows! I'm not claiming it as my own, i could only dream of that arrangement! I'm a huge fan! and have post on my FB and Twitter!Thank you for the incredible work! I have some covers on my youtube here, feel free to have a look and subscribe! Thanks xx
RE: Haley joining PMJ for part of European tour - My Alter Ego - 02-23-2015
(02-23-2015, 08:21 PM)john Wrote:(02-23-2015, 07:56 PM)My Alter Ego Wrote: This guy has put the BBC version of The Voice in an awkward position. Is it likely that he will proceed?
He did get a chair turn by Rita at the end according to YT comments. I don't expect anything from The Voice.
Here's his most recent comment on his video on YT (where comments have a clear negative tilt).
Quote:itchmiller2 hours ago
Thank You +ScottBradleeLovesYa I know we have spoke! but just so everyone knows! I'm not claiming it as my own, i could only dream of that arrangement! I'm a huge fan! and have post on my FB and Twitter!Thank you for the incredible work! I have some covers on my youtube here, feel free to have a look and subscribe! Thanks xx
I don't know what you mean by "I don't expect anything from The Voice." I'll assume that "Rita" was the coach who enjoyed the performance -- but, again, given what I can lip read that she said ("I like it) -- she liked the groove (ultimately the arrangement). Perhaps, in addition she liked dear Mitch's bad voice, but if so, that is only reflective of her inability to recognize a decent voice. What does this tell us?
The major thing is that Mitch doesn't seem to recognize that saying "oops, I made a mistake" might help him. As a result, I don't feel remotely sorry for what might -- and should -- happen to him.
RE: Haley joining PMJ for part of European tour - john - 02-23-2015
Quote:I don't know what you mean by "I don't expect anything from The Voice."
To give credit to PMJ, for example. Just business as usual.
Mitch seems to think the issue is whether or not he likes PMJ.
RE: Haley joining PMJ for part of European tour - john - 02-24-2015
Quote:Jack Fluck Photo @JackFluck 9h9 hours ago
@CaseyBassy with @PMJofficial in concert in #Madrid photo by @JackFluck #pmjtour @scottbradlee
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RE: Haley joining PMJ for part of European tour - Tom22 - 02-24-2015
(02-23-2015, 09:13 PM)john Wrote:Quote:I don't know what you mean by "I don't expect anything from The Voice."
To give credit to PMJ, for example. Just business as usual.
Mitch seems to think the issue is whether or not he likes PMJ.
I know it's not exactly the same thing but I remember an interview(which I couldn't find) with Frank Sinatra basically saying that Harry Connick junior had no style of his own (at least on the movie soundtrack of Harry met Sally (harry was billy crystal, a character with no connection to HCJ)
In my opinion Frank was right and Harry Conics style is entirely immatative of Frank Sinatra's delivery and the arrangements were uncannily the same.
The big difference in this case though is that the arrangment being copied was not the original version of the song but a remake of the song.
But, we know that original versions of songs are copied almost routinely on these shows ("you sounded just like the orginal artist, not yourself")
I see no really issue with copying the delivery of another artist or covering another artists work in a nearly identical way because, well it's done all the time. In fact, with classical music it is expected, almost required that you stay as close as possible to the composers intentions.
The issue here is purely one of giving credit on the air, and to be fair they never ever give credit to the writers or composers of songs on these shows, only mentioning the artist who had it on their albums or most recently made the song popular.
Really, it sort of rankles me sometimes when they call a song the singers song rather than the writers song. Back in the frank sinatra day's they'd often say, things like singing "Cole Porter's " xzy, or Rogers and Hammersteins "xyz".
yeah, a nod to PMJ is the gracious thing to do, but such omissions are the accepted norm these days really.
RE: Haley joining PMJ for part of European tour - john - 02-24-2015
^ Yeah, it does seem to the norm. At least the writers have rights to royalties when their songs are used. But a style or arrangement only gets credit if it is name-drop worthy. I think a show like The Voice should want to maintain a good reputation with the "little guys" of the music world, since that is where that try to recruit. It is just courtesy and class.
It seems that social media makes this all the more important since it opens up communication among fans and performers like never before. A brand like The Voice can find itself damaged by these kinds of storms. They posted the Fancy video from the show, but the comments aren't friendly for the most part. Mr. MIller finds himself doing damage control (poorly) rather than enjoying his acceptance on to the show. If the Voice is bothered by the negativity they will probably just get rid of him quickly rather than score a small PR win by mentioning PMJ. They could easily slip that in without having to apologize about it.