Bombs explode at the Boston Marathon
04-20-2013, 11:51 PM,
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RE: Bombs explode at the Boston Marathon
(04-20-2013, 11:20 PM)Miguel Wrote: The younger brother was influenced by his older brother. The older brother never assimilated well. In an article about his boxing, he said "I don't have a single American friend. I don't understand them." He was also known to have watched videos posted by Islamic extremists. So he had the alienation that we often see with mass shooters combined with the influences of Islamic jihadists. Add to that he's from a very poor country living in a wealthy country that he's come to identify as being opposed to Islam.

Editorial in the Boston Globe:

Quote:Get out the violins, because you’re about to read and hear all these stories about how poor Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s troubles had to do with the repression of the Chechens, and the hard nomadic life ethnic Chechens were forced to endure in the shambolic collapse of the Soviet Union.

...Living in a society that respects and encourages diversity, he retreated into a perverse, self-righteous, judgmental view of others who didn’t share his extremist views. And in his final act of selfish venality, he enlisted for his nihilistic denouement his own little brother, brainwashing a kid who by all accounts had made the sort of friendships and social connections that he couldn’t.

...Now that the madness is over, there will be some who say we have to figure out why the Tsarnaevs became such angry young men.

No one who lost his or her life or limbs on Boylston Street last Monday did anything to create angry young men like this. And I know that 8-year-old Martin Richard, a beautiful little boy from Dorchester who was killed by the Tsarnaev brothers’ bomb, never harmed a living thing. He was a kind little boy who was unfailingly nice to his classmate, the daughter of the Boston firefighter who knelt over his body on Patriots Day.

...I don’t want to listen to how innocent people bear some responsibility for creating the twisted minds of the Tsarnaev brothers.

Let us first bury our dead, heal our wounded, tend to our damaged first responders. Then maybe I’ll listen to that “what did we do to make them hate us” claptrap. Then maybe I’ll go to some soul-searching debate about how our foreign policy is creating too many enemies and too few allies.

But then, maybe I won’t.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04...story.html

Miguel, is it really that simple? On occasion, simplicity works. The Boston Globe editorial is nothing but an example of anger. And while the anger is justified, anger is rarely ever the answer. I can't help but wonder if the writer(s) of this editorial might come to regret it this publication a few weeks down the line.
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04-21-2013, 12:17 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-21-2013, 01:16 AM by Miguel.)
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RE: Bombs explode at the Boston Marathon
The writer was the one who raised the issue of America's foreign policy. That is a more likely catalyst than the men growing up and studying here. The writer's POV is that still wouldn't justify their actions.

It's nothing we haven't seen before. Young men straddling two societies who feel alienated. Young Islamic men who don't have the outlet of pursuing women pursuing other ways to prove their manhood (and devotion to God).

I find it interesting that the older brother was materialistic and willing to kill but looked down on Americans for their loose morals.

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When they decided to flee, the younger brother went to a mechanic to retrieve his 2007 Mercedes.

Quote:Junior declined to name his auto shop, but said Tsarnaev often came in, often with a group of friends, who all told him they were Turkish.

"I’d say five or six friends," he said. "Last month I asked them where they were from, and they said from Turkey. All the friends; I said 'You don’t look Turkish,' and [Tsarnaev] said, 'I was born in Russia but I was living in Turkey.' The others are from Turkey. They all drive nice cars, they all dress nice. Louis Vuitton shoes that probably cost $800. They drive Porches and the Range Rovers."



Quote:A Russian security officer said Saturday that young people who immigrate to the U.S. from the North Caucasus may only seem to fully immerse themselves in their adopted culture.

"It is naive to think that young men from Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushetia who come to the United States would integrate into American culture all that naturally and easily," said the official, who was not authorized to discuss the issue publicly. "They would go to American schools and play with American kids and then would come home where their tightly knit clan would pray together on the carpeted floor and then talk about U.S. imperialism and expansion."

...Fellow Muslims at the mosque in Cambridge where the Tsarnaev brothers occasionally worshiped revealed that the elder brother had been counseled a few months ago after an angry outburst.

Tsarnaev became enraged when the imam held up a picture of slain civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. as an example of a man to emulate, several worshipers and mosque officials recalled.

He stood up and began shouting. "You cannot mention this guy, because he's not a Muslim!" one worshiper, who identified himself only as Muhammad, recalled Tsarnaev shouting. He said others in attendance were shocked.

"He's crazy to me," Muhammad said. "He had an anger inside.... I can't explain what was in his mind."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/...full.story
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04-21-2013, 01:20 AM,
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RE: Bombs explode at the Boston Marathon
(04-21-2013, 12:17 AM)Miguel Wrote: The writer was the one who raised the issue of America's foreign policy. That is a more likely catalyst than the men growing up and studying here. The writer's POV is that still wouldn't justify their actions.

It's nothing we haven't seen before. Young men straddling two societies who feel alienated. Young Islamic men who don't have the outlet of pursuing women pursuing other ways to prove their manhood (and devotion to God).

I find it interesting that the older brother was materialistic and willing to kill but looked down on Americans for their loose morals.

[Image: article-2311809-196396F4000005DC-837_634x729.jpg]

When they decided to flee, the younger brother went to a mechanic to retrieve his 2007 Mercedes.

Quote:Junior declined to name his auto shop, but said Tsarnaev often came in, often with a group of friends, who all told him they were Turkish.

"I’d say five or six friends," he said. "Last month I asked them where they were from, and they said from Turkey. All the friends; I said 'You don’t look Turkish,' and [Tsarnaev] said, 'I was born in Russia but I was living in Turkey.' The others are from Turkey. They all drive nice cars, they all dress nice. Louis Vuitton shoes that probably cost $800. They drive Porches and the Range Rovers."

Thanks, Miguel, for your response. For me, it leaves still more unanswered questions, but those questions may always remain unanswered.
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04-21-2013, 01:56 AM,
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RE: Bombs explode at the Boston Marathon
Quote:I know the Boston bombers

I started getting facials from Zubeidat Tsarnaeva (pronounced Zu-bey-da) six years ago when I was 17 at a spa in the Boston area. She soon after left the spa and contacted my mom to have us start coming to her house, at 410 Norfolk St., right on the line of Cambridge and Watertown.

All throughout my senior year of high school and four years of college I went to her house about three times a year. The last time I went to the house was in December and January of 2011/2012.

...During this facial session she started quoting a conspiracy theory, telling me that she thought 9-11 was purposefully created by the American government to make America hate Muslims. “It’s real,” she said, “My son knows all about it. You can read on the internet.”

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/04/2...z2R2Oq6rhW
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