08-25-2015, 03:24 PM,
(This post was last modified: 08-25-2015, 03:28 PM by Rachel.)
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Rachel
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RE: Ole signs Haley to New Worldwide Deal! New EP!
(08-25-2015, 02:32 PM)Tusk Wrote: My favorite genre is "Haley" 
The covers tide us over, are a good way to grow a fan base by singing familiar songs, but it's Haley's talent potential as a song writer, vocalist and performer which is what I'm most excited to discover 
Without PMJ, this year for Haley would be so dim... 100%. Still no single or EP yet, more waiting. She's gained SO many fans because of them and I am SO GLAD she has. It has 100% held us over, new videos, covers, a tour to see her live. It was the best thing that could have happened while waiting for her own music to arrive.
(08-25-2015, 02:56 PM)XAtlantic Wrote: When I read this I also thought: no, she'd never want that to happen either way (one of her songs PMJ'd or a PMJ cover on her album).
But I am not sure I'd agree with you, Rachel:
(08-25-2015, 01:30 PM)Rachbobach09 Wrote: She is her own artist who happens to do some covers with PMJ for YouTube on the side.
I think Haley is a complete performing artist - she has a very strong artistic production of her own, and she can and will always sing the gems of music that suit her and turn them into something special. It will always be a happening in it's own right, too.
There is a tradition in modern music that a particular music is associated with those who created it, and is in that sense owned by them; but equally, someone like Haley stands so solidly in the traditions of the genres that she (I think) so deeply enjoys paying respect to their beauty and importance by singing them and causing them to exist in her own voice and time, I feel she will always want to do that. In that sense she is indeed in the mold of someone like Louis Armstrong, who also was like that, and others of that era. Artists in their own right, and artists as singers of great music that exists, with little conflict between the two.
So I think no PMJ'ing on her albums. But other performances of many kinds not as an aside, but as one half of the main course.
Actually I think you'd agree, Rachel! And Tusk.
I totally understand what you're saying. My point was, for example when Haley released "Show Me Your Moves", a lot of the casual fans were so angry and hated it, there were countless comments on her posts about how Haley is better when she sings "House of the Rising Sun", or "Moanin'"...there are people that ONLY like her and remember her for her covers. I don't want that to be the case and I don't think Haley does either.
But, I love hearing her sing covers & I know she enjoys doing them as well.
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08-25-2015, 04:03 PM,
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cherelann
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RE: Ole signs Haley to New Worldwide Deal! New EP!
Well, I guess I will post my thoughts on Haley's career. There are many great singers (Billie Holiday, Ella Fitzgerald, Amy Winehouse, etc.) who historically sang covers and are still popular today. And this is just in the jazz genre. Of course we all know that Haley is multifaceted when it comes to genres so that leaves her with many options when it comes to the cover aspect.
Naturally I want Haley to be successful, however, I want to see her thrive in all parts of her life. We need to remember that if she were to becomes a superstar we would lose the intimate access we now have. And I really don't think Haley would be happy living her life in a "bodyguard" atmosphere where she would have to live here life cloistered because of over zealous fans.
Haley's ability to write amazing songs gives her many options which allow her avenues for financial and public success while at the same time having a very fullfilling personal life. For me life is about balance and happiness...so for me, as long as Haley is happy and able to tour the world I don't care how she does it.
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08-25-2015, 09:00 PM,
(This post was last modified: 08-26-2015, 08:42 PM by Miguel.)
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RE: Ole signs Haley to New Worldwide Deal! New EP!
I just posted this in the "Happy for Haley" thread, but given the discussion of genres and covers maybe it belongs here.
"Lovefool" YT comment:
Quote:リンダ・ロンシュタットとネルソン・リドルオーケストラを聴いた時の感動を思い出す。 こんなジャズ歌手を待っていた！
Quote:I remember the excitement when I heard Linda Ronstadt and the Nelson Riddle Orchestra. I was waiting for such a jazz singer !
Quote:What's New is a 1983 jazz album by American singer/songwriter/producer Linda Ronstadt. It represents the first in a trilogy of 1980s albums Ronstadt recorded with bandleader/arranger Nelson Riddle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What's_New...t_album%29
Rolling Stone review:
Quote:Give Linda Ronstadt her due. From her earliest days, the first lady of rock has been a great technical singer with no interpretative ability, no nuance. What should a singer who needs work on her interpretative ability do? Study the great singers of the past several decades — Billie Holiday, Frank Sinatra, Ella Fitzgerald. To Ronstadt's considerable credit, she's done precisely that. The result is an album of standards called What's New, and it's a long way from the sacrilege some might have feared.
...In the past, Ronstadt has compensated for her too-straightforward style by adopting — some would say affecting — an overly careful approach, as if she were aiming the notes instead of singing them. Happily, she's started to overcome this trait. Her version of "Crazy He Calls Me" pales next to Billie Holiday's, but Ronstadt's relaxed phrasing shows surprising growth.
...That Linda Ronstadt has learned a lot about singing from her exposure to these standards is readily apparent. But had she cast these songs in new settings*, she might have introduced them to a whole new audience and proved their lasting greatness in the process.
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumr...z3jt3AMjYM
NYT review:
Quote:...On ''What's New,'' Miss Ronstadt and Mr. Riddle have fixed on a style that's lighter and more ethereal than the swinging torch of Mr. Riddle's Frank Sinatra albums. Since Miss Ronstadt didn't grow up singing with a big band, she doesn't have the instrumental vocal inflections and subtle rhythmic reflexes of antecedents like Mr. Sinatra, Billie Holiday, and Ella Fitzgerald. While her soprano is beautifully clear, her pitch and enunciation perfect, and her phrasing impeccably intelligent, she remains a voice apart from the orchestra. There is a built-in girlishness in Miss Ronstadt's voice which adds a charmingly coquettish edge to lighter ballads like ''I've Got a Crush On You.''
...Miss Ronstadt, who on her last rock album, ''Get Closer,'' pushed the rough edges of her voice to new limits, hasn't sounded this natural and composed in years.
...Unlike Frank Sinatra and Billie Holiday, she doesn't live passionately inside the songs. Instead, they are artifacts to be affectionately explored as much for their formal qualities as for any emotional revelation. This is not to imply that Miss Ronstadt's singing is coldly detached but that her emotional tone is studiedly even. Her readings are models of balance, clarity and warmth.
...Billie Holiday...always sang as though her life were held in the balance of a song, as she alternately cajoled and entreated the heavens for an unattainable dream of ecstasy. Her voice slurred even the most banal lyrics into an assertion that such a dream was not only attainable but the only reason for living.
http://www.nytimes.com/1983/09/04/arts/l...f-pop.html
*"New settings" side note, a sampling of comments on Billie Holiday's "Crazy He Calls Me:"
"Im so glad video games introduced me to jazz at such a young age, i would never have discovered my love of old jazz if not for Fallout. "
"Not only did Fallout introduce you to the songs, but the artists as well. Just listened to an hour of the Ink Spots, now I'm starting my Billie Holiday session.
"I'm living the same thing I listened to I only have eyes for you then I was like I miss that one song from new vegas and I listend to 3 ink spots songs"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mitLcbHHz8
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08-31-2015, 05:31 AM,
(This post was last modified: 08-31-2015, 06:01 AM by Tusk.)
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Tusk
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RE: Ole signs Haley to New Worldwide Deal! New EP!
Yes, Miguel got there in time to record from the crowd, but the big time bonus was his excellent audio, the top vid was mine and there's video from a 3rd perspective from the crowd, and one from the stage.
I combined all 4 perspective's in one video (I used another audio source, one from Midnight's keyboard player, I figured since I had it, might as well use it....unfortunately, his audio for Better wasn't as good as Miguel's  ):
Here's Miguel's "full stage" vid
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