Hipster Orchestra Collab

[Tusk]

Maybe Haley didn't like the result. Like "Black Velvet."

Yeah, I thought it was possible Haley's perfectionism might be the reason...just doesn't make sense, they had strings, instrumentation...and Jingle Punks have won awards and making $$ so it's not due to lack of people who know what they are doing.... It's possible, but I think Haley's a team player, unless it just straight out stinks, I can't see her being the sole reason it isn't released.

If all the people who worked on it, the professionals, did their best doing what they do, taking the trouble to record it, hard for me to believe Haley would say "no go" to everybody's efforts.

Black Velvet was very early in her career. She had not made the 'right' connections... she might have sung that with a guitar player, Notto? and an engineer... I can see her having a problem with a project under those circumstances...but what we saw on that Instagram she posted? I don't know... I'll give Haley the benefit of the doubt and figure maybe it was something Ole was planning to use in some way, but something happened that it was never released

#Homer4Haley

Haley was on Twitter tonight, liked one of my Tweets, but not this one... so

[Miguel]

The producer said he was in LA to record the vocals for "Black Velvet," so she was probably just singing to a track. The vocals for BV were recorded at the same studio Adele wrote "Someone Like You."

Adele and I first met at Harmony Studios in Hollywood, California. It’s a small studio on Santa Monica Boulevard with a terrific Yamaha C7 piano and a great all vibe. Adele told me she’d been working with [producers] Fraser T. Smith and Paul Epworth. She played me a few songs, including “Rolling in the Deep,” which I thought had a weird title but sounded amazing. Adele also said she wanted to play me some clips of the singer Wanda Jackson, so our engineer Phil Allen went on YouTube from the studio computer and we listened to her for the next 40 minutes. I was struck by how Adele was firing me up with music from 50 or so years ago that had nothing modern about it. There were no synthesizers or four-on-the-floor kick drum beats—it was just this amazing, old, rockabilly kind of music that set the tone for the two of us to do something totally simple and heartfelt. It was a strange and inspiring way to spend our first hour together.

...At times, she had an almost historical perspective on songwriting, saying things like, “A great song at this point would have a line that is more general and about life, as opposed to one about the story itself.” She seemed to understand how great songs were put together.

More: http://www.keyboardmag.com/artists/1236/...-you/29171

[Tusk]

Even more reason I don't agree that Black Velvet is comparable to this, they are completely different circumstances and scope, easy to accept she might have nixed Black Velvet's recording due to not being good enough to publish. Look at the pic again, Haley's not dressed just to go record audio....that outfit looks like it was to be video'd

[Miguel]

How she looks wouldn't affect her opinion of how she sounds. If she put the kibosh on something early in her career she would only be more confident in doing it later. Jingle Punks has won awards for production music related to TV shows. Anyone can submit their music to them online and Jared records up to 100 of his own jingles a week (see link below). The Hipster Orchestra doesn't always work with a vocalist and when they do they don't do an exceptional job of miking them.

Our studio is something I have dreamed about for years. I always envisioned a room where 4-5 composers could work shoulder to shoulder in a smart environment... We have this sense of competitive urgency with us all there composing. Sometimes we break to share some ideas or techniques with each other but for the most part we are just doing pitch after pitch.

...No one is going to call you because you are the best punk rock guitarist or have great drum chops. The session era is over. You are gonna get the call if you can create show packages with 20 hip hop cues, 20 country cues, 20 classical cues and on top of all this, you are expected to deliver all these in fast turn arounds and with you playing all the parts.

...I see huge studio spaces with expensive equipment and overhead costs that run in the thousands and I am so glad we are not tied to doing things this way... There is no need for extensive outboard gear and vintage mixers in the world of Jingle Punks.

http://www.apogeedigital.com/blog/jingle-punks

[john]

Haley was on Twitter tonight, liked one of my Tweets, but not this one... so

Sounds like that one is dead in the water. Too bad the punks couldn't pull it off.

[Tusk]

Sounds like that one is dead in the water. Too bad the punks couldn't pull it off.

How many blew off SMYM as a dead duck after it underwhelmed upon release?... a lot of derision from fans...Haley and Ole turned it into lemonade. Never say Never

#Homer4Haley

[john]

Sounds like that one is dead in the water. Too bad the punks couldn't pull it off.

How many blew off SMYM as a dead duck after it underwhelmed upon release?... a lot of derision from fans...Haley and Ole turned it into lemonade. Never say Never

#Homer4Haley

But this one has not been released.

SMYM is still a lemon. After 2.5 years the SMYM video has 147K views. Creep gets that in three days.

Most recent comment...

Post Modern Jukebox brought me here. This song turned me back.

She's absolutely incredible on PMJ. Her cover of Creep showcases her as a one in 10 million blend of soul, sass, and an artistry of sultry vocal seduction not seen in decades.

Here she's just a cookie-cutter, overtly sexified, modern pop vocalist.

So disappointed.

[Tusk]

Point is, it may still have life.... and nothing has indicated the reason why it's not released, why are we assuming it's 'bad' and that it's because of Haley it hasn't been released? There is zero evidence of either lol

All you've shown is fans still disapprove of SMYM which has nothing to do with my point that as a business, Ole and Haley, as a business woman, were able to make money from a product she created of her own volition, and through the commercialization, Haley's voice and brand are being heard.#Exposure

Timing and utility are factors in Ole's game, Haley works for Ole, she has proven that even with 'failures' she is still productive and an asset.

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PS...it's been almost 3 years so probably no big deal to say...at the Hotel Cafe, I asked Haley about Youtube view count (SMYM) not including the Yahoo view counts, SMYM exclusively debuted with Yahoo.

She intimated to us that SMYM's Yahoo debut garnered over 200,000 views on the day of it's debut, that don't count towards Youtube's views...but "Oh, well, live and learn"

I think the 'lowered' view counts people were able to see on YouTube, minus the Yahoo view count, re-enforced to those who didn't like the song, that it was a failure. That opinion snow balled from there, became SMYM epitaph. "Perception is Reality".

Also, take into account how much the Yahoo SMYM was shared when it debuted, Facebook, Twitter, articles...all those shares went to the Yahoo video (already 200k+ views) and NOT to youtube's SMYM..... Yahoo paid Haley a lump sum to get the ad revenue, they made $$ from SMYM debuting onYahoo.

People still point to the view count as indicating failure...how different would that be if all the initial views/shares went to YouTube instead of Yahoo??

Haley left it up to us whether to share this or not, for whatever reason, we decided that Haley preferred that we shouldn't

SMYM could be approaching 500k views ( a self realised, non promoted personal project) if not for the exclusive release on Yahoo that restricted it's growth on Youtube..at least the indication of it's initial popularity, views/shares.

It is my opinion that Haley chose to take the lump money from Yahoo for exclusive release rather than invest more money and resources to self promote...in the short term, she got money up front, didn't have to worry about promoting and piracy*, in the long run, it hurt SMYM's overall status, 'a failure'.

*(she made zero effort to promote SMYM's iTunes, which reenforces the theory that she had no interest selling the iTunes units nor charting, radio play....perhaps due to a negative perspective of the whole industry/pirating, putting effort and finances she didn't have into promoting would be a losing effort, better to take Yahoo's money and not deal with it)

She made a gamble to get money up front, thus her "Oh well, live and learn" comment....

Haley has said herself, she's also a business woman, this was a lesson she appeared to need to learn to inform her future decisions...remember, she's adamant about learning, you can't learn if you make no mistakes

Haley Reinhart ‏@HaleyReinhart 14 Jan 2015

@HaleysTusk Sowwy Tusk! It's been a busy week. Got my business woman hat on. I'm sure I'll see you soon, hope you had a lovely trip!

For perspective, Haley's "Iconic" introduction to Irvin Mayfield in New Orleans filmed by Casey in 2011.... 155,000 views...

[Miguel]

It could be Ole chose to focus on promoting "Can't Help Falling in Love." And when they upstreamed Haley the right to the Jingle Punks recording went to the new label.

[john]

SMYM could be approaching 500k views ( a self realised, non promoted personal project) if not for the exclusive release on Yahoo that restricted it's growth on Youtube..at least the indication of it's initial popularity, views/shares.

Interesting apologetics, but this theory is inaccurate. If publicity "took away" views then there was no interest in the song. No amount of spin doctoring can't make up for that. Yahoo attracted viewers through their network, Haley's YT channel has always been a backwater and would never have attracted 500,000 views on its own. The only video on her channel with more views than than SMYM is "Better" and it isn't even close to 500K.