Haley's in the studio.

[buzzenator]

Haley has a great voice and great musical sensibilities. She has gotten props from a number of musicians that she played with.

Go to the Facebook page for Roland Gajate Garcia, percussionist out front on RITD, and you'll find that of the 23 photos in the Idol grouping, seven are Haley with a similar number for Casey. There is one Pia, and none of the other contestants are seen. He has a few wall photos that show him posing with individual contestants Haley, Casey, James, and Paul.

Go to Tony Pulizza's FB page and his featured pictured is

Of course, he recently played with Casey at the Vegas benefit (and I wonder if he might play on Casey's album).

Irvin Mayfield invites her to sing with him at Carnegie Hall.

Tweets during the season. Etc.

For myself, anticipating Haley's music takes me back, since it has been a long time since I awaited a recording by anybody. I recall, beginning after I achieved a degree of musical sentience as a youngster, awaiting releases by bands -- particularly the Beatles.* With the Beatles you never knew what was coming but you knew it would be good. They would disappear into the studio and some time later release music that was fresh and different, while retaining the Beatles sound. Now, I'm not trying to compare Haley with the Beatles but she has the ability to go in different directions and put her own sound on a song. Even though she is just getting started I believe she has the pipes but also the taste and creativity to be a great artist. She has "it" musically and many sense that.

I think that insiders like Nigel, Simon, and the like lose sight of some of the essence of greatness. They are too focused on industry constructs like X-Factors aimed at selling records, cross promotions, overseas sales, blah, blah and they miss what others, such as those focused on making music see. Shows like Idol seem to confuse some near term marketing appeal with something more. I think Haley outgrew Idol during the season, and ultimately stands way above it. While some (who were part of the show or just watching it) were caught up in memes like "Haley needs to find her lane" or "she's got a bad attitude" or "I can't stand all that growling," she was in the midst of an explosive growth curve and blew right by them. She left the show and many detractors in the dust. **

When the Beatles*** emerged from the studio, in addition to music they also would often have a new look: different clothes, different hair, etc relative to the last time they were in the public eye. And they would set trends. Haley has the potential to do the same. (This is where she is so different than other Idol contestants, say Stephano, who want to be part of the established trend.) (yes, I know) And like it often seems when she sings, she can do this effortlessly.



* no equivalence to the Beatles implied
** "Jimmy played me a song for Haley’s record yesterday. Let’s hope all the people that are professing love buy it.... " Screw you Nigel.
*** no equivalence to the Beatles implied

Excellent post...I don't have time to respond fully right now, but had to say I really like your thought process and comments

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From the Facebook page for Roland Gajate Garcia...Wall Photos

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1...476&type=3

[fover]

Haley has a great voice and great musical sensibilities. She has gotten props from a number of musicians that she played with.

Go to the Facebook page for Roland Gajate Garcia, percussionist out front on RITD, and you'll find that of the 23 photos in the Idol grouping, seven are Haley with a similar number for Casey. There is one Pia, and none of the other contestants are seen. He has a few wall photos that show him posing with individual contestants Haley, Casey, James, and Paul.

Go to Tony Pulizza's FB page and his featured pictured is

Of course, he recently played with Casey at the Vegas benefit (and I wonder if he might play on Casey's album).

Irvin Mayfield invites her to sing with him at Carnegie Hall.

Tweets during the season. Etc.

For myself, anticipating Haley's music takes me back, since it has been a long time since I awaited a recording by anybody. I recall, beginning after I achieved a degree of musical sentience as a youngster, awaiting releases by bands -- particularly the Beatles.* With the Beatles you never knew what was coming but you knew it would be good. They would disappear into the studio and some time later release music that was fresh and different, while retaining the Beatles sound. Now, I'm not trying to compare Haley with the Beatles but she has the ability to go in different directions and put her own sound on a song. Even though she is just getting started I believe she has the pipes but also the taste and creativity to be a great artist. She has "it" musically and many sense that.

I think that insiders like Nigel, Simon, and the like lose sight of some of the essence of greatness. They are too focused on industry constructs like X-Factors aimed at selling records, cross promotions, overseas sales, blah, blah and they miss what others, such as those focused on making music see. Shows like Idol seem to confuse some near term marketing appeal with something more. I think Haley outgrew Idol during the season, and ultimately stands way above it. While some (who were part of the show or just watching it) were caught up in memes like "Haley needs to find her lane" or "she's got a bad attitude" or "I can't stand all that growling," she was in the midst of an explosive growth curve and blew right by them. She left the show and many detractors in the dust. **

When the Beatles*** emerged from the studio, in addition to music they also would often have a new look: different clothes, different hair, etc relative to the last time they were in the public eye. And they would set trends. Haley has the potential to do the same. (This is where she is so different than other Idol contestants, say Stephano, who want to be part of the established trend.) (yes, I know) And like it often seems when she sings, she can do this effortlessly.



* no equivalence to the Beatles implied
** "Jimmy played me a song for Haley’s record yesterday. Let’s hope all the people that are professing love buy it.... " Screw you Nigel.
*** no equivalence to the Beatles implied

Nicely stated John.

Go to Tony Pulizza's FB page and his featured pictured is


I wouldn't be surprised if he carried it in his wallet!


I think Haley outgrew Idol during the season, and ultimately stands way above it.

I think it happened after RITD. Up to that point, she performed for the judges. She tried hard to appease them and took most of their suggestions. After RITD, she made the "There are a lot of opinions in this world" comment to Ryan. That comment and her response after Beautiful, a simple "okay", sent a clear message to me that she was now receiving advice from other sources and didn't need the judges to validate what she and others already knew. Her performances from that point on were for herself, the audience, and for us, and not for the judges.

[john]

I think it happened after RITD. Up to that point, she performed for the judges. She tried hard to appease them and took most of their suggestions. After RITD, she made the "There are a lot of opinions in this world" comment to Ryan. That comment and her response after Beautiful, a simple "okay", sent a clear message to me that she was now receiving advice from other sources and didn't need the judges to validate what she and others already knew. Her performances from that point on were for herself, the audience, and for us, and not for the judges.

The week before RITD she and Casey had just killed it with Moanin' and she was starting to soar. (When I look at Moanin' it just blows me away -- they had never performed a duet together and only had short time get that ready, yet it was so tight.) She spoke about getting lots of opinions and "life lessons" from others the week of RITD in the Slezack interview and at least one other I have seen. There's more to it than is conveyed in the interviews, but from Haley's POV it probably came down to doing what her gut told her was right, which represents a synthesis of the input she valued. It seems that all the advice and feedback was starting to make her head spin and after the Moanin' performance she got the confidence to get beyond that and things became clearer to her.

[Miguel]

Himm2 has made an information packed post on IF:

http://idolforums.com/index.php?s=f3cac2...pic=680905

[midnightblues]

Good news I saw that earlier and was going to post it but didn't know how. I need a crash course on social media transitions.

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I stand corrected. (transactions)

[Miguel]

I posted that while 30 songs is impressive, I am most thrilled by the news that Haley's parents are excited on a professional basis. If the album satisfies their expectations, it's likely to meet ours as well.

[john]

I had no idea that she had recorded that many songs. She's been a busy girl. It all sounds very encouraging, although single may not be out till the end of the week.

[midnightblues]

30 songs is enough for a double CD package.

[Miguel]

30 songs, two recently. And Hollywood Hot Sauce was apparently trying to run her down earlier in the week to present another song to her.

So what is up with that?

Were they not happy with the early direction they were going in? I doubt all these songs have a "retro Motown sound with hip hop beats." Were some of the songs artistically pleasing but potential commercial duds? Was Haley so good and prolific in the studio they just kept throwing new songs at her?

Maybe the meeting they had today was to decide the album tracks? That would make for a fun meeting.

[midnightblues]

It would be very cool if Haley could go back to her roots, her jazz roots, Motown roots, and her classic rock with the approval of her producers. I really don't want to hear hip-hop or pop music. Jazzy sultry smoking hot like she said she wanted to record earlier on when she was in an interview and they would ask her what kind of music she wanted to put out. The old-school stuff unfortunately were not in a old-school world of music and producers and record companies are going to have the last say in they are going to put out what is going to sell. My first pick would be retro classic rock.