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HaleyFans 2.0
06-06-2013, 09:06 AM,
#11
RE: HaleyFans 2.0
(06-06-2013, 07:45 AM)kaypea Wrote:
(06-06-2013, 01:02 AM)yanni5 Wrote: Miguel, you do so much already running this great site. All the time and effort it takes to do that is greatly appreciated, not only by all of us, but also by Haley I'm sure! I have no problem if you stick with the current format, I don't want you to have to spend more time plus at a cost increase. Whatever you decide is fine with me.
Yeah-I'm with that.I'm about as low tech as it gets and I don't even understand most of the terminology involved with all this.But for me this site works fine as it is.

Agreed. As tech savvy as I claim to be...it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks. One reason I stayed on IDF so long before committing to this site was I like to post graphics & videos and I hadn't taken the time to learn how to do that here until I committed fully. Now that I have that down I'm very satisfied with how this site works and is organized and I have no problem with it and I'd worry that we'd lose some posters & content with a change. I've run message boards on MSN Groups, Ning, Multiply, Facebook and Yuku, and there's advantages and disadvantages to each. I like it here and feel no need for an "improvement".
Just my two cents.
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06-06-2013, 10:12 AM,
#12
RE: HaleyFans 2.0
MIGUEL:we all appreciate so much your efforts and dedication to this
very cool site.I personally don't know much about the webs technologys
but if you considered make some change for a best site work that it's fine for me.Tnx.we trust in your decision.IdeaIdeaCool
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06-06-2013, 11:08 AM,
#13
RE: HaleyFans 2.0
I don’t post much. I enjoy reading more the comments, insights and the Haley info that is posted by others. Miguel is doing a great job with this site and I also have no problem with the format remaining as is.

The extent to my tech savviness on this site is basically “copy and paste”. If the site is updated and changed, I will try my best to adapt since I love this site and Haley and want to contribute the little bit that I do. I also will try to help in any way I can as long as it is not very technical.

I trust whatever Miguel decides as well as what others would like to see.
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06-06-2013, 11:47 AM,
#14
RE: HaleyFans 2.0
The new format sounds great but if it will cost more money and cause you extra stress or frustration, then don't go out of your way if it will be a problem. Whichever decision you choose will be fine with me Smile

You do so much to make Haleyfans the best it can be. Thank you!
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06-06-2013, 12:50 PM,
#15
RE: HaleyFans 2.0
I guess ultimately it's about determining direction. The only thing that is constant is change. Things rarely stay the same. Random thoughts in no particular order.

-Tech Saviness and posting. I think copy and paste is usually all you need to know on these types of things. Anything more 'advanced' can be explained in a general purpose "how to" page. Posting videos, images and quotes seem to be pretty standard in most blogs so in that regard I don't see it being too much of a challenge to learn on a new board.

-If we are honest with ourselves, if we want to help Haley grow her fan base, we will need to realize we need to be able to infuse and nurture younger fans to climb aboard. On this site, aside from maybe H4 and Rachel, we are heavily on the side of 30+. Granted, there are advantages to having older fans, we have more resources, for instance, I couldn't have been able to travel as much to see Haley say 20 years ago.
That being said, to be able to sustain a career into the future, Haley's fan base needs to get younger. We know Haley has it in her to be a role model for the younger fans, and I think contemplating ways to make things more appealing or accessible to younger fans will only be more helpful for Haley.

Most of Haley's younger fans tweet, and maybe including some of that technology, like Miguel mentioned, might make HF more 'welcoming' to Haley's younger fans.

Running the blog and expenses is really the most important part of this transition. We all have 'other lives' outside of this fandom, we all contribute when/how/what we can. Ultimately, the 'nuts and bolts' is on Miguel's end. The bottom line begins and ends with Miguel at HF. I and a few others contribute content as we are motivated to do, but none of us are 'tied' to it as Miguel is. We have seen (at least I have) many 'big fans' and supporters of Haley come and go. I still wonder what happened to Satchvai (HaleysShindig), but then again, as stated, we have our lives and obviously that takes precedence.
Speaking for myself, through this fandom, I have felt my enthusiasm ebb and flow. Sometimes, I can go on streaks of posting a ton, other times, not so much... I can't switch it on or off.... Luckily, Haley has many talented fans that also post enthusiastically, so in the case of HF, the site's size is 'just right'.
But it does go to the question of generating content and who generates it. Miguel himself had noted that parts of HF has gone 'neglected', so it follows that a bigger site, with more options and bells and whistles might then be bigger than our ability to generate content for.
....that doesn't even get into the issue of 'moderation'. With more members, means more personalities, means more personality clashes. In the few years of HF's existence, we have seen our share of these types of upheavals (which I'm embarrassed to say I have been involved in more than my fair share Blush ). Miguel has been able to navigate through these in the limited context of HF, but what of a bigger site? It would be naïve to think that Miguel can over see all of it. He has a life too.

I probably have more to say, but will leave with this (for the time being Tongue ) I completely understand the OP of evolving HF into something that is more appealing to and can attract more and younger fans. As Haley's career grows, the meeting places for her fans need to adapt to 'bigger, brighter and better'....
For instance, last week Pia's main 'web supporter' had to pull up stakes, which was a blow to Pia's exposure because that was a very nice site, well run and attractive to her fans. The look of the site was more conducive to a younger generation. I hadn't really explored it, but from the outside, I can see how the aesthetic can be appealing to younger fans.

Ultimately, in making this decision, without creating some kind of 'corporation' with different heads running different departments, and without putting the entirety of the responsibility on Miguel, we need to find a balance between what we can handle as a fan base (running it) and what our "Mission Statement" is moving forward.
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06-06-2013, 01:29 PM,
#16
RE: HaleyFans 2.0
Miguel, first of all thanks for readign and commenting about my post. It's really interesting how difficult ti all is. All I knew is that you could apply at certain sites like starzz, flaunt.nu , fa-sites.org. They give you the site, FTP panel and a lot of tools if you prove that you have experience and can provide examples of it. I don't understand about forum sotftware much, all I did was just have some experience orking with free FTP hosts and building gallery images with Coppermine. I had a 'photo archive' of all Haley pictures made with coppermine, but the host shut down and I've lost everything... I'd love to start again Smile .

That being said, you job with this forum is great. It provides a great place online for us, fans, to chat. It's true that we need to take a little step higher, but there's no need to spend much money, I think.

If someone doesn't understand what type of site I'm refering to, here's an example http://cassadee-pope.org/.
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06-06-2013, 02:21 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-06-2013, 02:24 PM by SteveNIndy.)
#17
RE: HaleyFans 2.0
Hi. been lurking this site for awhile and have enjoyed reading news and updates regarding Haley. I wanted to comment on the CMS that Miguel is looking into. Not sure if it is the style he is looking for but Wordpress is a Open Source CMS that has a good selection of templates to choose from. GoDaddy has a special now for hosting a CMS site for 2.99/ month 100GB. Im in my 40's so the youth movement does not pertain to me but being in IT , I can appreciate what a well designed site can do for you. just my two cents.
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06-06-2013, 04:09 PM,
#18
RE: HaleyFans 2.0
Many of the CMS sites are clogged up with glitzy but hard to navigate graphics, links and such. They might be good for a promotional website for Haley Reinhart music & shows but I don't see how they are that great for a forum where we can discuss news, opinions, personal greetings, stories, upcoming events regarding Haley, etc. I like the simplicity of this site...everything you need to know and easy to exchange ideas and find what's important and organized into monitored threads by Miguel.
I was an NX subscriber on IDF because I didn't want to deal with annoying ads and wanted the ability to upload photos directly. I discontinued the subscription cuz I didn't wanna pay for it anymore if I wasn't getting the value out of it. I suspect posters on a limited budget wouldn't move elsewhere if they had to share in the cost.
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06-06-2013, 04:32 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-07-2013, 02:16 PM by Babbs234.)
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RE: HaleyFans 2.0
Quote:Posted by Himm2
Many of the CMS sites are clogged up with glitzy but hard to navigate graphics, links and such. They might be good for a promotional website for Haley Reinhart music & shows but I don't see how they are that great for a forum where we can discuss news, opinions, personal greetings, stories, upcoming events regarding Haley, etc. I like the simplicity of this site...everything you need to know and easy to exchange ideas
I agree with you Himm. I went to the Cassadee Pope site after Marina suggested it and it was like an advertisement for Cassadee. But I didn't find any forum area where you could chat. I understand it was meant just as an example. And I'm obviously not tech savy.....

I do like HF as it is, but whatever decision Miquel chooses I will support.Smile
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06-06-2013, 04:41 PM,
#20
RE: HaleyFans 2.0
(06-06-2013, 09:06 AM)Himm2 Wrote:
(06-06-2013, 07:45 AM)kaypea Wrote:
(06-06-2013, 01:02 AM)yanni5 Wrote: Miguel, you do so much already running this great site. All the time and effort it takes to do that is greatly appreciated, not only by all of us, but also by Haley I'm sure! I have no problem if you stick with the current format, I don't want you to have to spend more time plus at a cost increase. Whatever you decide is fine with me.
Yeah-I'm with that.I'm about as low tech as it gets and I don't even understand most of the terminology involved with all this.But for me this site works fine as it is.

Agreed. As tech savvy as I claim to be...it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks. One reason I stayed on IDF so long before committing to this site was I like to post graphics & videos and I hadn't taken the time to learn how to do that here until I committed fully. Now that I have that down I'm very satisfied with how this site works and is organized and I have no problem with it and I'd worry that we'd lose some posters & content with a change. I've run message boards on MSN Groups, Ning, Multiply, Facebook and Yuku, and there's advantages and disadvantages to each. I like it here and feel no need for an "improvement".
Just my two cents.

Yup-My concerns are in bold.

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